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the_Mmmm_girl
Does anyone know how much Marilyn weighed when she made "There's No Business Like Showbusiness" as compared to her weight when she made "The Prince & the Showgirl"? eyebrow.gif
mels
You're not starting with an easy question Rita LOL!
I'd LOVE to know the answer though !
louie_gee_gee
QUOTE(the_Mmmm_girl @ Jul 6 2004, 09:48 PM) *
Does anyone know how much Marilyn weighed when she made "There's No Business Like Showbusiness" as compared to her weight when she made "The Prince & the Showgirl"? huh.gif



throb.gif marilynbybrandon_190.gif Wow, that's a toughie! I'm afraid I don't know.
Alanma
Sorry, but I haven't a clue either.
Judging comparative weight by appearance doesn't help, because of the severe 'bloating' effect of her illness during TPATSG , which necessitated her costume being made in 3 different sizes.
meztisa
During her peak, which would include TNBLSB, it is documented that she weighed from 115 - 118lbs. As TPATS was made in the later fifties, her weighted had fluctuated to about 125lbs. Not that much of a difference, as you can tell in the movies. She weighed at her most in LML and SLIH, at 150lbs.
Kowalczyk
I have a random question. blush.gif I've only read (half of!) one MM book - Spoto's - and it's not clear (intentionally I think) whether Marilyn did have a relationship with Hal Schaefer around 1954 time... Does anyone know if she did or whether it's just something no one knows?

It's probably a really dumb question but I'm still quite new to Marilyn blush.gif

Edit: Sorry to hijack your thread when your question hasn't even been answered yet!
magda24
QUOTE(Kowalczyk @ Jun 26 2008, 04:54 PM) *
I have a random question. blush.gif I've only read (half of!) one MM book - Spoto's - and it's not clear (intentionally I think) whether Marilyn did have a relationship with Hal Schaefer around 1954 time... Does anyone know if she did or whether it's just something no one knows?

It's probably a really dumb question but I'm still quite new to Marilyn blush.gif

Edit: Sorry to hijack your thread when your question hasn't even been answered yet!


According to Summers, Schaefer's own account and DiMaggio's jealousy (Wrong Door Raid!) she did have an affair with him during TNBLSB
Kowalczyk
Thank you. biggrin.gif I couldn't tell whether it was true, or if it was just extreme jealousy on DiMaggio's part. (And I found the whole Wrong Door Raid thing quite funny. blush.gif)
magda24
QUOTE(Kowalczyk @ Jun 26 2008, 06:50 PM) *
Thank you. biggrin.gif I couldn't tell whether it was true, or if it was just extreme jealousy on DiMaggio's part. (And I found the whole Wrong Door Raid thing quite funny. blush.gif )


I know, so stupid!It really shows how far jealous macho man with bloated ego can go!I also read somewhere that the whole mess was because of some lesbian rumours (MM was to be discovered with a woman) but I think it's BS.
Kowalczyk
Yup. laugh.gif

Wait... so it isn't true then (most likely)? Cos Summers is not supposed to be trustworthy, right? Sorry I know I'm being a little dumb. blush.gif
magda24
QUOTE(Kowalczyk @ Jun 26 2008, 07:19 PM) *
Yup. laugh.gif

Wait... so it isn't true then (most likely)? Cos Summers is not supposed to be trustworthy, right? Sorry I know I'm being a little dumb. blush.gif


I tend to be careful both with Spoto and Summers. Spoto definetely likes to ommit facts that don't fit to his picture (like Kennedy's affair) while Summers sometimes is very tabloid-like. and you're not being dumb, Angela, everyone here has right to choose what to believe (or not). I read many biographies (Spoto, Summers, Guiles, Leaming, Wolfe, Mailer etc) but I'm always careful with their conlusions. Just draw yours. I believe that Marilyn had a thing with Schaefer but whether it was serious I don't know.
Kowalczyk
Thank you very much for taking the time to explain... I suppose I will have to read more before I can draw my own conclusion. smile1.gif
dwane
what was the main reason arthur and marilyn got divorced? why did marilyn convert to judaism, besides to be more like arthur? and what was the exact date the divorce between marilyn and james dougherty was final?

thanks in advance! marilynbybrandon_190.gif
Kowalczyk
QUOTE(dwane @ Jun 27 2008, 12:05 AM) *
why did marilyn convert to judaism, besides to be more like arthur?


I think it's cos to marry him she had to be Jewish. This happened to a friend of my friend's (this woman converted to Judaism to marry her Jewish husband so their children would be Jewish too). But I don't know how seriously you want to take this cos I'm pretty new to Marilyn and someone else probably knows better. blush.gif

(Or did you already know that anyway? laugh.gif)
dwane
lol, thanks anyway! smile1.gif
Kowalczyk
Haha, okay, sorry. blush.gif
Tara
Arthur wasn't a practising Jew at that time, and he didn't expect Marilyn to convert. It was her own suggestion. Most of her friends were Jewish, and I think she liked the idea of being part of that community. She was never particularly devout, but she did observe some customs, eg she kept a menorah near her front door at her last home in Brentwood - and that was two years after her marriage to Arthur ended.
dwane
thanks so much tara! smile1.gif
abeautifulchild
QUOTE(dwane @ Jun 26 2008, 10:05 PM) *
what was the main reason arthur and marilyn got divorced?


I think the reason why MM & AM got divorced was because they did not live up to the expectations they set up for their marriage and for themselves. Marilyn married Arthur looking for a father, and Arthur married Marilyn looking for an angel. Marilyn was crushed after she realized that Arthur couldnt love all of her, but I think that the marriage really started to fail when Marilyn was unable to give him a child. I dont think she wanted to put anything more into their marriage after that- like she sort of gave up on them. And as for Arthur, he never was the one to know how to handle Marilyn IMO. I know she often felt neglected and inferior. I think he did love her, but I dont think he was willing to give all of himself to her as she was willing to do. Then there was the affair with Yves Montand, which Im sure that Marilyn would not have begun unless she had not given up on Arthur. Arthur didnt show that he cared, because Im sure he knew it was over for them as well. Anyway, he was disillusioned at the end (and so was she), and they both knew that after all that had happened they were only hanging on for The Misfits. And then after that production and all the hell that went on there, I dont think they could stand being around each other anymore. I wonder if it would have worked if they both entered the marriage looking for the same things...

My question: did MM have a miscarriage during TPATSG?
Tara
QUOTE(abeautifulchild @ Jun 27 2008, 08:01 PM) *
My question: did MM have a miscarriage during TPATSG?


I don't think she did though I can't be sure. Anthony Summers mentions it in his book, but doesn't give a source. Colin Clark also described it in some detail, but I don't find him reliable. Also, I think it's unlikely that Marilyn would have got pregnant so soon into her marriage, and with a movie to make. Her miscarriages in summer of 1957 and winter of 1958 are both documented. Without further evidence, I'd have to say the 1956 pregnancy may be just a rumour.

My question...Spoto claims that Marilyn signed a management contract with Lucille Ryman and John Carroll in 1947, under the name 'Journey Evers'. I know she still wasn't settled on Marilyn at this time, but what might have inspired this unusual choice of name?
Alanma
I don't think she did either, but that is only an opinion.
There is no doubt that Marilyn's health was at times poor during her time in England. As a child and teenager I had to help nurse my mother through continued bad health, though a different cause, and knew the signs.
Whenever Marilyn was reported sick, to Olivier's office, the response was too often of the 'Oh, Yeah, pull the other other one..'
variety. After all, the old stagers forming the rest of the cast were alright, weren't they, and Marilyn was, or looked, a robustly healthy young woman.
They tended to put down her sick-days as the result of too much drink or too many pills.
There were a couple of days when Marilyn was confined to her room and visited by a distinguished doctor.
As Marilyn's endometriosis led to her having a bit of a 'tummy' at times, this lead to much whispering and gossip in corners, and I think it was this prattle that fed the rumour mill about a miscarriage.
Marilyn was, in fact, a very private person, and to my mind it is unthinkable that she would confide such a calamity as a miscarriage to anyone other than her husband and doctor.
abeautifulchild
Thank you to both Tara and Alan.
I tend to believe that too.

Another question: Do you think that MM REALLY did not want to have children with JD? We only know that from The Misfits where Roslyn says that she never wanted children with her ex-husband- and we also know that on her script next to that line she wrote, "Like with JD." But didnt she say that she wanted 6 children when she married him?
MissCaswell
Well wasn't that what she told the press? Of course she'd have to say something like that. Imagine the uproar (from both Joe and the public) if she had told the press that she didn't really want any kids with her husband. I mean, this was the 50s, and he was pretty conservative.
magda24
QUOTE(abeautifulchild @ Jun 29 2008, 08:28 AM) *
Thank you to both Tara and Alan.
I tend to believe that too.

Another question: Do you think that MM REALLY did not want to have children with JD? We only know that from The Misfits where Roslyn says that she never wanted children with her ex-husband- and we also know that on her script next to that line she wrote, "Like with JD." But didnt she say that she wanted 6 children when she married him?

We'll never know if she meant DiMaggio or Dougherty...I tend to believe she meant DiMaggio when writing this line, but that is just speculation.
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