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luvyou_MM
Are there any pictures of MM and JFK together? Or MM with RFK?
Im sorry if this is a stupid question! But if any of you know of any or have one please post it Id love to see it! marilynbybrandon_190.gif
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dazzledent
Click to view attachment Click to view attachment- I don't know who took this one?
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It seems very odd that there are not more photos of them together. If I had seen JFK/RFK with MM, I would have definitely taken a photo. However, there were a lot of stars at his birthday and I don't know of any other posed photos with them.Click to view attachment

In the book, Rat Pack Confidential, it says "a Kennedy team descended on Vegas to spirit away photographic evidence of Jack's having partied with the boys. They didn't want the world to learn how close the candidate was to Sinatra. 'We wouldn't let him campaign openly in the primaries, we couldn't even let Peter Lawford in because of the Rat Pack image' " - a Kennedy aide.

Maybe photos with MM were also 'spirited away.'

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Katri^
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nicky62
All photographs with Monroe and the Kennedys were destroyed by Lawford or one of the other rats
they cleaned up in order to protect any liason between them
Its in The man who knew too much Peter lawford story
I think that if they had an affair and Marilyn had a child by any of them he would look more or so like this I did back in 2003
There will always be speculation about them because it is part of the Monroe Legend
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dwane
awesome pic Katri! i've never seen it before!!! smile1.gif
abeautifulchild
Kind of interesting how Jackie told Jack that she would not go to the gala if Marilyn was appearing, that it was either her or Marilyn, and JFK ended up choosing Marilyn. Sheds some light on how much he cared about what the public would think when they saw his own wife did not attend a celebration of his birthday. That must have been an unhappy marriage.

You know, it always makes me wonder how worried the Kennedy's really were about Marilyn/anyone else spilling the beans on them if Bobby was sent to end her relationship with the family, but instead starts his own affair with her...I guess they were blinded by her beauty or whatever. They say that with Bobby it was different though, that she loved him...He was supposed to never have had an adulterous affair before, so I'm guessing he must have felt something for Marilyn too.

Of course in the end they used her, but no wonder Marilyn wanted an explanation for their ending it so abruptly!

Great photos posted, I so wish there were more of them together!
jonas
As for Jackie, I saw a documentary long ago where supposedly she went off alone to Greece and spent time with Ari Onassis! They even went for a minor cruise on his yacht. And all this, while she was still married to the President. Anyone know anything about this?
It would definitely show that their marriage was on the rocks. And there was even a famous opera singer, Maria Callas, caught in the middle...
Marcus
Sorry - there is no MM on this photo, but I just thought it still can be interesting - because of the date when it was taken... It shows JFK and family in Hyannis Port; the date is August 4, 1962... Looks like an evening of the day... last day of MM's life...
zeldazonk1926
Well there is this version of that photo tongue.gif Click to view attachment
chris
QUOTE(jonas @ May 8 2008, 12:24 AM) *
As for Jackie, I saw a documentary long ago where supposedly she went off alone to Greece and spent time with Ari Onassis! They even went for a minor cruise on his yacht. And all this, while she was still married to the President. Anyone know anything about this?
It would definitely show that their marriage was on the rocks. And there was even a famous opera singer, Maria Callas, caught in the middle...




On the summer 1962, Jackie was in holidays in Ravello (italy) with her sister Lee, her brother-in-law, Prince Radziwill, their children and her daughter Caroline.
No Onassis on the background.

Chris
a monroeist
no pictures and no affairs, no evidence, only gossipy tabloid crap, I believe in what Ralph Roberts said about it, only I don't believe that Marilyn and JFK "spent a night" in the sense that they had sex

any sexual relationships, not to mention casual sex, with Kennedy's would be just very un-Marilyn-like, Marilyn who said "I don’t believe in casual sex", besides Kennedy's weren't even in Her type, She liked "manly man", while Ks were more like Peter Pan type and I believe also physically not attractive to Her, compare them to Joe or Arthur, Ralph Roberts seems to confirm this when He reports Her saying: "he [JFK] doesn’t have an appeal to me in what I see"
Margherita
About this party with Marilyn and John and Robert Kennedy together + plus some "inside" people:



"The only photographer that was allowed into the party was Cecil Stoughton, the White House photographer and the person who snapped the photo.

Stoughton took several photos at the party, but once President Kennedy saw the camera, he turned his head towards the wall, Morgan said.

Later the Secret Service asked Stoughton to give them all of his photos of Kennedy and Monroe.



"He handed over all those negatives and photos. There [were] multiple ones"

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And another link:

http://www.newsmax.com/RonaldKessler



According to Secret Service agents, Kennedy had sex with Marilyn Monroe at New York hotels and in a loft above the Justice Department office of then-Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, the president’s brother.

Between the fifth and sixth floors, the loft contains a double bed that is used when the attorney general needs to stay overnight to handle crises. Its proximity to a private elevator made it easy for Kennedy and Monroe to enter from the Justice Department basement without being noticed.

“He [Kennedy] had liaisons with Marilyn Monroe there,” a Secret Service agent says. “The Secret Service knew about it.”

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Of course, one doesn't have to believe everything somebody says no decades afterwards....Personally I don't believe that Marilyn and JFK had a lengthy relationship - but I think there is enough proof that they had a romance-of-sorts and met maybe a few times -






a monroeist
QUOTE(Ultraviolet @ May 30 2012, 07:52 PM) *
once President Kennedy saw the camera, he turned his head towards the wall, Morgan said.


so He wouldn't risk being with MM on the same picture?
and yet You believe that He would risk romancing?? c'mon! He had enough of female secretaries, assitants, all sort of top politician's escorts and groupies around to have relief of His satyriasis, He was highly conscious politician, to smart to get into such trouble, such risk as romancing Marilyn Monroe, the idea itself is just ridiculous, can't You see it?


QUOTE(Ultraviolet @ May 30 2012, 07:52 PM) *
According to Secret Service agents, Kennedy had sex with Marilyn Monroe at New York hotels and in a loft above the Justice Department office of then-Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy, the president's brother.



"secret service agents"? :-)) c'mon, just some guys claiming to be former "secret service agents" and most probably paid for "disclosing" all this "secrets" ... just lying for money, that is

any romance is excluded for some very practical reasons - time and space! question is - where and when?

presidents and superstars are very busy people, they simply didn't share enough time and space for any romance to come to reality, New York? c'mon Marilyn was not living in New York at the time of this alleged romance, neither the President resided in NY, right?

therefore, exactly because of that, Spoto is right:
"No serious biographer can maintain the existence of an affair between Marilyn and the Kennedys. All we can say for sure is that the actress and the President have met 4 times, between October 1961 and August 1962"

four times!

a romance with Bobby is equally unlikely, to say the least
Margherita









"He was highly conscious politician, to smart to get into such trouble, such risk as romancing Marilyn Monroe, the idea itself is just ridiculous, can't You see it?"


Nobody is that smart - Smart people - like John F. Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe - happen to get into hell of a troubles. - The ones that don't feel anything can stay far off of troubles. -

a monroeist
QUOTE(Ultraviolet @ May 31 2012, 11:00 AM) *
"He was highly conscious politician, to smart to get into such trouble, such risk as romancing Marilyn Monroe, the idea itself is just ridiculous, can't You see it?"


Nobody is that smart - Smart people - like John F. Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe - happen to get into hell of a troubles. - The ones that don't feel anything can stay far off of troubles. -



You seem to assume that a politician is like a normal person, who does what (s)he feels, I think this assumption is wrong, especially in case of highly successful top politician, besides JFK ...uhm ..."romances" were more about what He needed (some pretty basic, animal-like needs) than what were His feelings


anyway, time and space factors are crucial, alleged affairs had no chance to materialize for lack of time and space unless there was a UFO-factor involved and teleportations
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