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Posted by: linkeando Nov 20 2004, 03:04 PM

hi friends!
still i´m doubting about these photos
differences... mocambo, crescendo, sammy´s party or not?
same day?
arghhhhh
then... date? place? event? differences?


 

Posted by: Mandydolphin Nov 20 2004, 05:42 PM

Sorry Jeannette,but where are the photos??

Posted by: Nina Nov 21 2004, 11:17 AM

Hey Jeannette,

I remember that you've asked this question a long time ago but here is my info again wink3.gif

They're at the Mocambo Club in December 1955. We haven't find out about the exact day so far - maybe we'll find out know wink3.gif

I hope, this will help you meanwhile hug.gif

Posted by: linkeando Nov 21 2004, 01:04 PM

but all photos?

Posted by: nathalie Nov 21 2004, 01:51 PM

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Posted by: Amber Nichols Nov 21 2004, 02:45 PM

biggrin.gif The 1st 3 are from the Macombo club.
The next are from Sammy's return party after his accident( note the eye patches)
Marilyn's hair looks different to me. As we know she likes to wear the same outfit
more than once. I have them in my files as 2 different events. I don't know if this helps??




 

Posted by: Nina Nov 21 2004, 03:01 PM

I believe they're all taken at the Mocambo Club and they celebrated there the return of SD.jr after his car accident - on all photos! I guess some pics are simply taken at later hours during the party. YMO wink3.gif

Posted by: chickeyonthego Nov 21 2004, 03:58 PM

In December 2, 1954, Sammy made his first public appearance since his accident, wearing an eye patch, when he went to hear Mel Torme's show at the Crescendo Club on Sunset Strip. This was an informal event and not publicized before hand. The house photographer took the photos of them.
On January 11, 1955, Sammy made his return to show business during a show at Ciro's nightclub. Personally, I think this is the one featuring Jeff Chandler and Tony Curtis with the eye-patches, as there were many celebrities onhand that night to welcome him back to show business.

Posted by: linkeando Nov 28 2004, 01:26 PM

QUOTE(chickeyonthego @ Nov 21 2004, 02:58 PM)
On January 11, 1955, Sammy made his return to show business during a show at Ciro's nightclub. Personally, I think this is the one featuring Jeff Chandler and Tony Curtis with the eye-patches, as there were many celebrities onhand that night to welcome him back to show business.
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but, are they at ciro´s in this photo?

Posted by: chickeyonthego Nov 28 2004, 10:22 PM

Yes. I believe they are. Possibly in a private room, etc.

Posted by: linkeando Nov 30 2004, 10:37 PM

ahhhhhhh, ok, and this one?

Posted by: chickeyonthego Nov 30 2004, 10:41 PM

That was actually taken at someone's home. I can't remember who, right now. I will have a look and see if I can come up with it.
A series of photos was auctioned off on ebay last year and it told where they were.
This one Amber posted above was also taken that night.

 

Posted by: sabine Sep 8 2005, 02:19 AM

Look at the differences...there are slight ones with milton greene....



Here Milton's hair is combed sharply to the side. he's wearing a medium colored suit and a skinny tie.



Here Milton is wearing a black suit and wider tie and his hair seems to be combed back.

Are my eyes bad or do you guys see what i see??? two different events....




This one here i am unsure about how it fits in with the others....maybe there were 3 events???


sabine

Posted by: Nettie Sep 8 2005, 05:43 AM

Different places. Sammy has different outfit here with Jeff Chandler. Check out the smaller photos.

 

Posted by: sabine Sep 8 2005, 03:20 PM

Aha!!!!!!!
So there ewre THREE different occasions, not just two.....
The one in a person's house (milton and marilyn on the couch)...the one where everybody wears eyepatches and the one at the Macambo with Mel Torme!!!
But which dates go with which pic????

STACEY...HELP!!!!!! ohmy.gif

sabine

Posted by: chickeyonthego Sep 8 2005, 09:18 PM

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Hey Nettie, found one without the watermark for you.

Look at Marilyn's dress in these two photos. It is not the same dress. It has a similar bodice and spaghetti straps.
In the second one she has a sweater, is wearing a belt and a longer skirt.

Also, I found a pic of Sinatra and Garland which appears to be in the same room as Marilyn, Greene and Curtis. They were all at the Ciros show in 1955 for Sammys return to show business.

Also, Tony Curtis is dressed the same in the pics.

The group attended a party in the home of Sammy's publicist, Jess Rand.
They then went to see Mel Torme at the Crescendo Club.
December 1954

January 1955. Ciro's. Sammy Davis, Jr's return to show business.
I believe the candids with the eyepatches were taken at a private
party after the show. Probably in a back room at Ciro's. Just my
opinion.


 

Posted by: Nettie Sep 9 2005, 04:12 AM

Thank you... again, Stacy. Especially for the no watermarked picture. It's beautiful. I just saved all that info. Funny, how long Marilyn has been around Frank and Sammy, The Rat Pack, etc. I believe she was a good friend to have. Their friendship lasted to the end.

Posted by: Nettie Sep 11 2005, 07:25 AM

I have been reading "In Black and White The Life of Sammy Davis Jr." by Wil Haygood from the local library. I HAVE GOT TO BUY A SCANNER. On page 174 it has the beautiful picture that I post here very tiny, 2nd on the bottom left, of Marilyn so very cozy and so sweet and with Milton and others: This is what the caption says:

" Days after Sammy was realeased from the hospital in San Bernardino, Jess Rand, on left, hosts a party for him. Film star Jeff Chandler is on Sammy's left. (The woman on Chandler's left was a party crasher; the host had never met her before.) Seated next to Marilyn Monroe is renowned photographer Milton Greene. Whenever Sammy found himself in a photo with Monroe, he would soon begin denying rumors that they were having an affair. The denial was Sammy's way of titillating the tabloits-inasmuch as the rumor found a life only in Sammy's breathless denial of it. "


But read this from page 176:

" On December 2, Jess Rand threw a birthday party for himself, his last as a single man. His wedding to pretty Bonnie Byrnes was a week away. Sammy liked parties; he showed at Jess's wearing his eye patch. Beneath it could be seen a large white bandage still covering the eye. It looked frightful, as did the scar across his face. It seemed as much a coming-out party for Sammy as a birthday party. Many of Rand's and Sammy's friend's were there, giving the evening a feeling of warmth and celebration for both of them. Jeff Chandler looked, as always, smoothly elegant. The breathless woman hudling near photographer Milton Greene was Marilyn Monroe. She wore a black dress with spaghetti straps, and looked both seductive and hazy. "

On page 177 it reads:

" On December 8, 1954, Sammy Davis Jr., turned twenty-nine years old. He celebrated in his on home, on Evanview Drive. Sammy celebrated in his first home by throwing a party. As soon as she arrived, Cindy Bitterman could tell how happy Sammy was to be there. " Judy Garland was there ", Bitterman remembers. " Sinatra was there. The place was crowded. I had gotten there with Bob Neal, a wealthy guy from Texas. "

On page 178 there is a picture of Frank Sinatra sitting beside Cindy Bitterman. He looks exactly the same as in Stacy's photo with Judy Garland. He has the same suit and tie. It is the same room. You can clearly see the stripped curtain. And the caption reads:

" Frank Sinatra and Cindy Bitterman. She played the roll of blunt-talking sister to Sammy. It is December 8, 1954, Sammy's twenty-ninth birthday party. The pure joy of his survival from the car crash three weeks earlier can be seen in their eyes. Sammy hovers above them, playing both host and fan at his own party. He raises his camera: photograph by Sammy Davis Jr. "

So they must be in Sammy's house in these photos with the stripped curtains. But there is no mention of Marilyn attending the birthday party.


Then on pages 187-188 it reads:

" On January 11 they climbed into the Cadillac, and rolled through the night air to Ciro's. Will was quiet, Sam Sr. fatherly. They'd done this hundreds of times, all through the years. But never like this- the air alive with anticipation and curiosity. When they opened the door to their dressing room, they saw flowers everywhere. They'd never seen so many flowers before, with so many sentimental notes attached.
Automobiles cruised up to the front of the nightclub and valet attendants rushed to open the doors. And there, in the lights, alighting from the car as if rising up from the night itself-flash upon flashupon flash- Marilyn Monroe. The flashes caught her jewelry, her smile, her cleavage. Marilyn was accompanied by Milton Greene, the LIFE photographer, and Amy, his wife.
Sammy was on stage for an hour, then twenty minutes more, then twenty minutes longer. Allan Grant, the Life photographer sent to cover the opening sanpped away, even turning his camera on the audience. "

This is the same Allan Grant who photographed Marilyn before she died. I would love to see his photos of the Ciro's event. I have read two of Davis' biographies and there was no mention of Mel Torme in the Mocambo Club event in either of them. In the book Gonna Do Great Things- The Life of Sammy Davis Jr. it says:

" Following his unforgettable return to Ciro's, Sammy, his dad, and Will took the act on the road. From Boston, the Trio went to New York for the capper of the tour, Sammy's return to the Copa. As at Ciro's, Davis enjoyed a celebrity-packed audience of sympathetic fans. The rooters included Eddie Fisher, Marilyn Monroe (whom Sammy had met the night of his return to Ciro's). "

Why would they say Sammy and Marilyn met at Ciro's when Milton has them together in 1954 when he was shooting the cover of his 1st music album? Anyway, I hope I haven't made things worse now.


 

Posted by: Nettie Sep 11 2005, 06:02 PM

Do you guys see anything similar in these pictures?
Same tableware and candles. Ciro's?

 

Posted by: linkeando Sep 12 2005, 11:40 PM

hey nereida, you are right!!

Posted by: chickeyonthego Sep 13 2005, 07:53 AM

Marilyn and Sammy had known each other since at least 1952.

Great info Nettie. I just ordered that book. I had read it at the library one day. I love the pic you were talking about.
The night of Sammy's Birthday party, December 8th, Sinatra, Bob Neal and his girlfriend and Judy Garland went to the Crescendo club after the party to hear Mel Torme. Sinatra ended up punching the club's publicity director.
The newspaper article never mention anything about Marilyn being in the club or with the party.
I've got the date of the Crescendo Club outing as December 2, 1954. After hearing Mel sing, Sammy, Milton and Marilyn went to the Mocambo Club.
Here is a couple of pics of Milton and MM at the Mocambo Club. You can see that the candles are clearly labled. And Marilyn is wearing her fur coat.
It's turning out to be quite a conundrum.
In the two previously posted pics, it does seem that they are at Ciro's. Thanks to Nettie's detective work.
Sammy seems to be wearing a bandage under his eye-patch. Like the author said he did after first injuring his eye. This could still be in December I guess. They might have all gone to Ciro's...or it could be January 11th.


 

Posted by: Nettie Sep 14 2005, 05:29 AM

Thank you Stacy. They sure did party alot during that time. These darn candles and plates have me confused. I guess they were popular at the time. I can see the name on your Mocombo pictures. And Ciro's are marked too, but we cannot see the name in our Sammy pictures. Then I find this 1952 picture of the Mocombo and IT has the same plates. Ah, well.

Man, I have learned alot from the Sammy biography. Amy Greene was friend with Sammy for 30 years, I read, to the very end of his life. In Milton's Marilyn Amy said she was never jealous of Marilyn and that she knew they were not lovers. That was nice. I don't believe they were either. But they sure did love one another. They appear to be so comfortable being themselves together. I like the way they looked together. Nice couple. Why didn't she meet someone like Milton and marry him? Very nice wife Milton had though to trust him enough to do the things that he did. She was obviously very secure in what she had.

What a great life they all seem to have, Frank and and Eva, and everyone. Did you know that both Frank Sinatra and Joe DiMaggio had this thing about being touched? Both responded violently to a simple pat on the back. Very detached. I wonder what happened to them that made them so? So I think I'll drop this issue with the different clubs. I wish I could find pictures from the Crescendo event with Marilyn.

If you do get the book, maybe you can scan our lovely picture of Marilyn and Milton. Nite Nite

 

Posted by: sabine Sep 19 2005, 05:46 PM

Arghhh....confusion!

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Can somebody put the pics that go together side by side and name the place, date, etc.??
That would be the greatest....my eyes are hurting trying to go back and forth and compare!
I would do this myself but i am afraid of getting it wrong! HELP


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sabine

Posted by: Mandydolphin Sep 19 2005, 05:48 PM

Same here

Posted by: Nettie Sep 20 2005, 09:14 PM

Same here guys.

Posted by: chickeyonthego Sep 20 2005, 09:56 PM

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Here is the picture that Nettie was telling us about. And you can see that it's a different night than the one with everyone with eye patches on. Jeff Chandler's tie is different.


 

Posted by: Nettie Sep 21 2005, 03:19 AM

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Oh my God Stacy ! You got the book ! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you for sharing it.
I LOVE the picture. Look at how sweet she looks; so shy and ever so snuggled next to Milton. I wonder what Amy Greene thought when she saw it? Milton's face is sweet here too. I think they were wasted maybe. After all, it does appear as if they were on a roll from one party to the other.


These are all from the same day, December 2, 1954. She must have gone to see Mel Torme and then to Rand's house for Rand's own birthday party.

" Days after Sammy was realeased from the hospital in San Bernardino, Jess Rand, on left, hosts a party for him. Film star Jeff Chandler is on Sammy's left. (The woman on Chandler's left was a party crasher; the host had never met her before.) Seated next to Marilyn Monroe is renowned photographer Milton Greene. Whenever Sammy found himself in a photo with Monroe, he would soon begin denying rumors that they were having an affair. The denial was Sammy's way of titillating the tabloits-inasmuch as the rumor found a life only in Sammy's breathless denial of it. "

" On December 2, Jess Rand threw a birthday party for himself, his last as a single man. His wedding to pretty Bonnie Byrnes was a week away. Sammy liked parties; he showed at Jess's wearing his eye patch. Beneath it could be seen a large white bandage still covering the eye. It looked frightful, as did the scar across his face. It seemed as much a coming-out party for Sammy as a birthday party. Many of Rand's and Sammy's friend's were there, giving the evening a feeling of warmth and celebration for both of them. Jeff Chandler looked, as always, smoothly elegant. The breathless woman hudling near photographer Milton Greene was Marilyn Monroe. She wore a black dress with spaghetti straps, and looked both seductive and hazy.




 

Posted by: Nettie Sep 21 2005, 04:00 AM

These are from Sammy's comeback at Ciros, December 11, 1955.


" On January 11 they climbed into the Cadillac, and rolled through the night air to Ciro's. Will was quiet, Sam Sr. fatherly. They'd done this hundreds of times, all through the years. But never like this- the air alive with anticipation and curiosity. When they opened the door to their dressing room, they saw flowers everywhere. They'd never seen so many flowers before, with so many sentimental notes attached.
Automobiles cruised up to the front of the nightclub and valet attendants rushed to open the doors. And there, in the lights, alighting from the car as if rising up from the night itself-flash upon flashupon flash- Marilyn Monroe. The flashes caught her jewelry, her smile, her cleavage. Marilyn was accompanied by Milton Greene, the LIFE photographer, and Amy, his wife.
Sammy was on stage for an hour, then twenty minutes more, then twenty minutes longer. Allan Grant, the Life photographer sent to cover the opening sanpped away, even turning his camera on the audience. "



I wish I had the pictures Allan Grant took for this occasion.


 

Posted by: Nettie Sep 21 2005, 04:25 AM

Stacy, send me the picture of Frank and Cathy Bitterman on page 178 from your book. I will add it to this post. As I said, Frank is wearing the same clothes as in the picture of him with Judy Garland that you posted.

So, I believe these were all taken at Sammy Davis' house. And I know the ones with Frank and Judy Garland were taken on December 8, 1954, Sammy's 29th birthday party that he gave himself. I am just not 100% sure the ones in his house, but with Tony Curtis and Jeff Chandler were taken on the same day, because there is no mention of Marilyn being there in the book. And somehow, I have a hard time picturing Marilyn and Frank Sinatra in the same room at this particular time. Maybe there was a 2nd party in his house that we don't know of yet.

" On December 8, 1954, Sammy Davis Jr., turned twenty-nine years old. He celebrated in his on home, on Evanview Drive. Sammy celebrated in his first home by throwing a party. As soon as she arrived, Cindy Bitterman could tell how happy Sammy was to be there. " Judy Garland was there ", Bitterman remembers. " Sinatra was there. The place was crowded. I had gotten there with Bob Neal, a wealthy guy from Texas. "



 

Posted by: chickeyonthego Sep 21 2005, 04:52 AM

Okay. I'll get it scanned Nettie.

 

Posted by: Nettie Sep 21 2005, 03:33 PM

Stacy, the pictures are so tiny in the book. I didn't know that they came out so HUGE when you scanned them. They are just beautiful. There are a few books out there with rare Marilyn pictures. I have GOT to get a scanner. Thank you so much for sharing them with us.

Posted by: chickeyonthego Sep 21 2005, 08:21 PM

Nettie I recommend that you sell all you have in order to get a scanner. lol Having one is fabulous.
You can resize the pics on the scanner, increase the resolutions, etc.
I'm still learning, but it is so great. I highly recommend getting one.
Mine was under a hundred dollars and it works great. It's a Hulett Packard Scanjet 4470c.
I'm glad I could help you out.

Posted by: Nettie Sep 22 2005, 02:30 AM

You are right Stacy, and I will try. $100 huh? You are super.

Posted by: linkeando Oct 12 2005, 10:02 PM

excuse me my ignorance,
then which is verdict?

Posted by: meganmarilyn Oct 12 2005, 11:31 PM

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Posted by: Nettie Oct 13 2005, 01:02 AM

QUOTE(meganmarilyn @ Oct 12 2005, 10:31 PM) [snapback]90410[/snapback]
I checked my dates, and saw that Marilyn also was interviewed by Maria Romero on December 2, 1954. Is this date correct? Did she do this too on the same day?



Regarding the date for that interview see here:

http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/index.php?showtopic=6069&hl=maria+romero

Didn't she also get her palm read on this day?

Posted by: meganmarilyn Oct 13 2005, 01:27 AM

Thanxs I checked that thread. Was it decided the interview took place on December 2nd then? Looking at the Palm reading pics, it looks to be the same place as her interview.

Posted by: linkeando Oct 15 2005, 03:45 PM

let´s see, then...

correct me if i´m wrong

December 2, 1954 at Sammy´s home, what are they celebrating?


December 2, 1954 at Crescendo Club, what are they celebrating?


December 11, 1955, Sammy's comeback at Ciros


December 8, 1954, Sammy's 29th birthday


correct????? blush.gif

Posted by: Nettie Oct 15 2005, 04:14 PM

Jeannette, you got it perfect.

As far as the first two:

Rand threw himself a party at his own home to celebrate his own birthday and the fact that he was soon to be married man. It was right after Sammy's released from the hospital, so Sammy showed up at Rand's house wearing his eye patch. I think they were celebrating Sammy being out as well.

As far as visiting Mel Torme after his show at The Crescendo, they were still just celebrating.

Posted by: linkeando Oct 15 2005, 05:00 PM

thanx nereida, then i think that this topic is solved

what do you think?

Posted by: Nettie Oct 16 2005, 02:25 AM

OK by me.

Posted by: sabine Oct 22 2005, 04:18 PM

sabine

Posted by: sabine Mar 13 2006, 01:26 AM

Ok, i went over all the information here today and i hope to finally make sense of all of this. It wasn't easy. Feel free to double check....

Ok, i now get it that the following pics were all taken on the same day: January 11th 1955.
First, the party at a friend's house, then Ciro's, then Mocambo


That also explains why all three (Marilyn,Milton and sammy) are dressed the same in all 3 pics.......it also proofs they were party animals that night!!! biggrin.gif
NOTE: i feel that the previous date as December 2nd is false.


Next: december 8th 1954. Sammy davis jr's birthday party:

Only sinatra, garland etc. are mentioned in sammy's book. The book also identifies the place as Sammy's own house. marilyn, Jeff chandler and tony curtis are not mentioned.



Another party at sammy's house.....this time with marilyn, tony curtis,jeff chandler, etc.. I don't know what date this would have been....i am still searching.....i've heard dec. 8th often enough but i feel this wasn't sammy's birthday party at all.....



sabine

Posted by: linkeando Feb 11 2007, 02:20 PM

solved for me

Posted by: suusmarie Jan 25 2008, 02:20 AM

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Posted by: linkeando Jan 30 2008, 12:32 AM

great suus!!!

Posted by: chickeyonthego May 22 2008, 07:58 PM

December 2, 1954 is the correct date when Sammy first appeared in public after his accident. It is backed up by newspaper sources.

Posted by: Nettie Sep 29 2008, 12:23 AM

Marilyn and Sammy

Notice the different outfit (skirt) she is wearing here.


 

Posted by: californiadude Sep 29 2008, 01:19 AM

I love all the pictures taken around 55, she looks so happy!

Posted by: suusmarie Sep 29 2008, 01:35 AM

QUOTE(Nettie @ Sep 29 2008, 01:23 AM) *
Marilyn and Sammy


Wonderful clapping.gif !

Posted by: chickeyonthego Sep 29 2008, 03:30 PM

I agree with Suus, Nettie, simply wonderful! marilynbybrandon_190.gif

Posted by: Nettie Sep 29 2008, 06:11 PM

These is one of my favorite threads. I love Marilyn on this day with friends.

Posted by: MarilynxMichael Dec 10 2009, 05:57 PM

there is also some other pictures of them





 

Posted by: nathalie Dec 11 2009, 09:48 AM

Another one bye1.gif


 

Posted by: Nettie Apr 19 2010, 05:06 AM

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Posted by: nightxposed Apr 5 2012, 07:02 AM

I think I may have found the missing piece to this puzzle that will finally resolve this, much differently than has been stated previously. The one thing that seemed to be throwing everyone off was the books not specifying that Marilyn and Tony Curtis were at Sammy's birthday party on December 8th. The books only talked about Frank Sinatra and Judy Garland. Well, I believe this to be proof positive that they were. Drum roll please...




There's Frank, in the same clothes as previously discussed, sitting with Tony Curtis, in the same clothes with which he is in with Marilyn and with all the boys wearing their eye patches. So here's what we now know for certain...

We know that on December 2nd, they all attended a gathering at Jess Rand's home, based on Nettie's book and the precise description given in that book of this picture...



We also know then that they left Rand's to go to the Crescendo Club to see Mel Torme, as they are all wearing the exact same clothing and there is a caption on the picture dating it December 2nd...



We also know then that after leaving the Crescendo Club, Marilyn, Milton and Sammy went to Mocambo on December 2nd, based again on the exact same clothing and the candle plainly marked with the Mocambo name.




I believe that resolves the events of December 2, 1954.

Then we have Sammy Davis, Jr's 29th birthday party on December 8, 1954. As stated above, there never seemed to be any evidence that Marilyn and Milton and Tony Curtis were there. But now there is. It was determined that these pictures were of Frank Sinatra at Sammy's house for this party...



If that's the case, then this proves Tony Curtis and Jeff Chandler were there...




And if Tony Curtis was there, then this proves Marilyn was there...



So therefore, all of the pictures with the striped drapes, including all the guys in eye patches, were taken at Sammy's house on December 8th at his 29th birthday party.




What do you think? I can't think of any other possible explanation, nor can I think of any possible way any of this could be wrong. But the funny thing is, this explanation uses up every picture from this topic, leaving NO pictures left for Sammy Davis' return to the stage on January 11, 1955. NONE of these pictures are from that night. So do any pictures from Ciro's that night exist? Ahhh, yet another mystery...

Posted by: Nettie Apr 5 2012, 03:47 PM

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YES ! How awesome Jim ! That one picture you found of Tony with the group tied it up perfectly.
I am very happy. We just need those pictures of Ciro's, like you said.
Thank you much. marilynbybrandon_190.gif

Posted by: nightxposed Apr 5 2012, 03:58 PM

QUOTE(Nettie @ Apr 5 2012, 07:47 AM) *
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YES ! How awesome Jim ! That one picture you found of Tony with the group tied it up perfectly.
I am very happy. We just need those pictures of Ciro's, like you said.
Thank you much. marilynbybrandon_190.gif


You're welcome, Nettie. Perhaps the picture posted by Natalie above is from the Ciro's event?

Posted by: linkeando Apr 5 2012, 04:00 PM

Hey Jim, I found to you!
give me some time to read this post so old and I tell you something wink3.gif

Posted by: linkeando Apr 5 2012, 06:06 PM

two hours later...

now I want your opinion... am I wrong?

seven years is a long time and more knowledge... although my English is still pathetic

 

Posted by: nightxposed Apr 5 2012, 07:03 PM

QUOTE(linkeando @ Apr 5 2012, 10:06 AM) *
two hours later...

now I want your opinion... am I wrong?

seven years is a long time and more knowledge... although my English is still pathetic


Well done, Jeannette! The work you did here supports everything I said, with one glaring exception. It would seem that they also were at Ciro's that same night. We KNOW they went to Crescendo that night to see Mel Torme. So perhaps, after his show, they all went to Ciro's together? That would mean they went from Jess Rand's house to Crescendo to see Mel, to Ciro's, and then Marilyn, Milton and Sammy went on to Mocambo. What other explanation could there be? Unless all of the newspaper and book reporting about that night were wrong about Mel Torme and he was actually performing at Ciro's instead of Crescendo that night. I'm guessing though they went to both places on the same night. The Crescendo was located at 8572 Sunset Blvd., and Ciro's was at 8433 Sunset...one block away. And Mocambo was at 8588 Sunset Blvd., next door to Crescendo! So it isn't that much of a stretch to think they were at all 3 on the same night. What do you think?

Jim

Posted by: linkeando Apr 6 2012, 01:21 AM

QUOTE(nightxposed @ Apr 5 2012, 07:03 PM) *
Well done, Jeannette! The work you did here supports everything I said, with one glaring exception. It would seem that they also were at Ciro's that same night. We KNOW they went to Crescendo that night to see Mel Torme. So perhaps, after his show, they all went to Ciro's together? That would mean they went from Jess Rand's house to Crescendo to see Mel, to Ciro's, and then Marilyn, Milton and Sammy went on to Mocambo. What other explanation could there be? Unless all of the newspaper and book reporting about that night were wrong about Mel Torme and he was actually performing at Ciro's instead of Crescendo that night. I'm guessing though they went to both places on the same night. The Crescendo was located at 8572 Sunset Blvd., and Ciro's was at 8433 Sunset...one block away. And Mocambo was at 8588 Sunset Blvd., next door to Crescendo! So it isn't that much of a stretch to think they were at all 3 on the same night. What do you think?

Jim



could be, why not? but, and where´re Crescendo`s photos? We haven´t them...

Posted by: nightxposed Apr 6 2012, 01:40 AM

QUOTE(linkeando @ Apr 5 2012, 05:21 PM) *
could be, why not? but, and where´re Crescendo`s photos? We haven´t them...


That's right. Now, we need pictures from Crescendo and pictures from Sammy's performance on January 11, 1955 at Ciro's! Will it ever end? rolleyes1.gif

Posted by: Nettie Apr 6 2012, 04:22 AM

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Posted by: chickeyonthego Apr 6 2012, 08:25 AM

Jim and Jeannette have done a great job so far in narrowing down the events from these photos♥
Here is a photo from Sammy Davis, Jr's comback appearance at Ciro's, January 11, 1955. The one
of all three of them is by Allan Grant.

 

Posted by: nightxposed Apr 6 2012, 02:09 PM

QUOTE(Nettie @ Apr 5 2012, 08:22 PM) *
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Good ones, Nellie! That middle one makes me think maybe Tony should set that drink down!
QUOTE(chickeyonthego @ Apr 6 2012, 12:25 AM) *
Jim and Jeannette have done a great job so far in narrowing down the events from these photos♥Here is a photo from Sammy Davis, Jr's comback appearance at Ciro's, January 11, 1955. The oneof all three of them is by Allan Grant.
Thank you, Stacy!

Posted by: Nettie Apr 6 2012, 07:13 PM

" On January 11 they climbed into the Cadillac, and rolled through the night air to Ciro's. Will was quiet, Sam Sr. fatherly. They'd done this hundreds of times, all through the years. But never like this- the air alive with anticipation and curiosity. When they opened the door to their dressing room, they saw flowers everywhere. They'd never seen so many flowers before, with so many sentimental notes attached.

Automobiles cruised up to the front of the nightclub and valet attendants rushed to open the doors. And there, in the lights, alighting from the car as if rising up from the night itself-flash upon flashupon flash- Marilyn Monroe. The flashes caught her jewelry, her smile, her cleavage. Marilyn was accompanied by Milton Greene, the LIFE photographer, and Amy, his wife.

Sammy was on stage for an hour, then twenty minutes more, then twenty minutes longer. Allan Grant, the Life photographer sent to cover the opening sanpped away, even turning his camera on the audience. "


Marilyn in jewelry ?

This one bigger ...


 

Posted by: Nettie Apr 21 2012, 06:02 AM

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Posted by: ginie Jul 22 2012, 05:26 PM

Finally, the January 11, 1955, for the show of Sammy Davis at Ciros,
Did Marilyn was present to this party ?!..



After reading all your investigations, i don't think she was there...!

Posted by: Nettie Jul 30 2012, 01:01 AM

clapping.gif Thank you Jeannette bye1.gif

 

Posted by: linkeando Jun 5 2013, 12:34 AM

it´s a pitty this fake




I have spent hours trying to find out more about these pictures and finally I found out that Marilyn is in Crescendo.



then
all a, all b, all c and all d. This is my folder

Posted by: EDUARDO CABALLERO Jun 6 2013, 09:00 AM

Hola Jeannette me gustaría contactar contigo por si me puedes aclarar la fecha de estas fotos pues yo tengo un lió tremendo.

eduardo.caballero@terra.com

Posted by: CYRILPARIS Jun 6 2013, 03:24 PM

QUOTE(linkeando @ Jun 5 2013, 01:34 AM) *
it´s a pitty this fake



Yes it is a montage with other face instead of the face of Milton Greene but I have not the original picture with Milton Greene.

Posted by: linkeando Jun 6 2013, 05:06 PM

QUOTE(CYRILPARIS @ Jun 6 2013, 03:24 PM) *
Yes it is a montage with other face instead of the face of Milton Greene but I have not the original picture with Milton Greene.


here




QUOTE
Hola Jeannette me gustaría contactar contigo por si me puedes aclarar la fecha de estas fotos pues yo tengo un lió tremendo.

Eduardo, what you're asking is better to do it in this forum so that everyone can benefit from the research. I am also looking for the same information.
Eduardo, lo que me pides, es mejor hacerlo aquí, para que todos podamos aprovecharnos de las investigaciones. No obstante, yo también estoy buscando la misma información, porque las fechas están un poco liosas. Seguro que ronda 1954 y/o 1955.

Posted by: EDUARDO CABALLERO Jun 7 2013, 12:00 AM

QUOTE(linkeando @ Jun 6 2013, 06:06 PM) *
here


Eduardo, what you're asking is better to do it in this forum so that everyone can benefit from the research. I am also looking for the same information.
Eduardo, lo que me pides, es mejor hacerlo aquí, para que todos podamos aprovecharnos de las investigaciones. No obstante, yo también estoy buscando la misma información, porque las fechas están un poco liosas. Seguro que ronda 1954 y/o 1955.



Muchas gracias, Jeannette

Posted by: CYRILPARIS Aug 28 2013, 12:36 PM

and where is this original photo?

 

Posted by: Considerate Sep 10 2013, 09:56 AM

From "Yes I can" by Sammy Davis, about his post-accident return at Ciro's
... ... So i'd asked Milton to bring her to the opening.When the dressing room cleared,he asked "You want to go back to my place and have a drink"?"Not on your Rolliflex, Milton, old buddy. I've had it with the Garbo bit. You and i are going to take Marilyn to the Mocambo,then it's a definite see-and-be-seen at the Crescendo"

Posted by: CYRILPARIS Sep 10 2013, 12:44 PM

QUOTE(linkeando @ Jun 5 2013, 01:34 AM) *
it´s a pitty this fake



and where is the original photo?

Posted by: linkeando Sep 10 2013, 01:30 PM

QUOTE(CYRILPARIS @ Sep 10 2013, 12:44 PM) *
and where is the original photo?



look at post 74, sorry, I don´t understand your question...

Posted by: CYRILPARIS Sep 10 2013, 02:01 PM

QUOTE(linkeando @ Sep 10 2013, 02:30 PM) *
look at post 74, sorry, I don´t understand your question...


I talked about with Sammy Davis and Jeff Chandler


 

Posted by: Alanma Sep 10 2013, 09:49 PM

Isn't the blond chap with Sammy Davis actually Jeff Chandler?

Posted by: njsp1921 Sep 11 2013, 12:06 AM

yes it is jeff chandler

Posted by: CYRILPARIS Sep 11 2013, 12:42 PM

QUOTE(Alanma @ Sep 10 2013, 10:49 PM) *
Isn't the blond chap with Sammy Davis actually Jeff Chandler?


Of course, it's Jeff Chandler! I have confused!

Posted by: Joan Newman Feb 20 2014, 06:19 PM

Big

 

Posted by: meganmarilyn Dec 11 2015, 07:15 AM

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(1954-12-30) The Newcastle Sun (Australia)

 

Posted by: Joan Newman Dec 16 2015, 04:53 AM

Just read your article Megan clapping.gif clapping.gif clapping.gif

Marilyn sloppy dress and sloppy hair.

Marilyn touring the night spots wearing a blouse, slacks and low-heeled shoes. (I wonder where this was)

She wore the most gorgeous mink coat, full length. She let it drag on the floor and she even sat on It You just don't sit on that kind of fur coat !

Posted by: meganmarilyn Dec 16 2015, 05:46 AM

QUOTE(Joan Newman @ Dec 15 2015, 07:53 PM) *
Just read your article Megan clapping.gif clapping.gif clapping.gif

Marilyn sloppy dress and sloppy hair.

Marilyn touring the night spots wearing a blouse, slacks and low-heeled shoes. (I wonder where this was)

She wore the most gorgeous mink coat, full length. She let it drag on the floor and she even sat on It You just don't sit on that kind of fur coat !


Hi Joan. MM, MGreen went and saw Mel Torme perform at the Crescendo Club. December 2, 1954. She looks gorgeous myself. Don't know why the complaints. I guess she wasn't dressed all in white, which was her trademark.


 

Posted by: Joan Newman Jan 7 2016, 08:21 PM

jumpymm.gif Isn't she so sweet and so delicate looking ? throb.gif You can see Jacques Cernes sleeve on the left of the photo.

This image of Marilyn Monroe and her infamous manager Milton Greene was taken in 1955 not long after her divorce from Joe DiMaggio. This photo was taken at Gene Norman's legendary Crescendo nightclub in Pasadena, California known for being a pioneer in crossing the racial barriers in both it's patrons and performers. Regular acts there in this era included Duke Ellington, Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong. Other photos of that same evening show Marilyn and Milton Green with Mel Torme and Sammy Davis Junior.

 

Posted by: suusmarie Jan 8 2016, 02:58 AM

Wonderful photo clapping.gif

Posted by: meganmarilyn Jan 8 2016, 08:36 AM

QUOTE(Joan Newman @ Jan 7 2016, 11:21 AM) *
jumpymm.gif Isn't she so sweet and so delicate looking ? throb.gif You can see Jacques Cernes sleeve on the left of the photo.

This image of Marilyn Monroe and her infamous manager Milton Greene was taken in 1955 not long after her divorce from Joe DiMaggio. This photo was taken at Gene Norman's legendary Crescendo nightclub in Pasadena, California known for being a pioneer in crossing the racial barriers in both it's patrons and performers. Regular acts there in this era included Duke Ellington, Ella Fitzgerald and Louis Armstrong. Other photos of that same evening show Marilyn and Milton Green with Mel Torme and Sammy Davis Junior.


Pretty sure this is Dec 1954. According to the newspaper article I posted, which was Dec 31, 1954 (Australian). It mentions singer Mel Torme with them, who can be seen in various photos with MGreen and Marilyn.

 

Posted by: linkeando Jul 8 2016, 07:00 PM

better quality



and from "In Black and White: The Life of Sammy Davis Junior"


Posted by: suusmarie Jul 9 2016, 01:23 AM

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Posted by: Joan Newman May 7 2017, 01:16 PM

Arthur Silber, Jr. Interview where he tells specifically about having this picture taken of himself, Marilyn, Sammy and Jeff Chandler. [url="https://musiclegends.ca/arthur-silber-interview/"]https://musiclegends.ca/arthur-silber-interview/

"Marilyn Monroe Do you remember meeting her ?"

"She's a very quiet, very timid. She is not what everybody tried to make her be. Trust me, she was not. "

" She was always under control of whosoever had her working for them at the time. She just let too many people control her. All the way down from President Kennedy, his brother and the rest of the people. I'm not going to get into that story 'cuz I think everybody thinks they know the whole story and they really don't. "

"All she wanted was to be happy. She really wanted to be married and have a baby. I can tell you that."

" Just from she and I talking together at a party once, as a matter of fact. She was very nice to me. I have a picture of that, of her talking to me. Matter of fact, that picture is in my book, Jeff Chandler and myself and Marilyn Monroe. That's who is in the picture. [/b][/i]A very simple little party. Enough of that. Ask me another question. "

So, is this the actual photo of Silber with Chandler and Marilyn ? Or is there another of the 3 of them alone without Sammy as he says in the interview ?


 

Posted by: CYRILPARIS May 10 2017, 11:30 AM

QUOTE(Joan Newman @ May 7 2017, 02:16 PM) *
Arthur Silber, Jr. Interview where he tells specifically about having this picture taken of himself, Marilyn, Sammy and Jeff Chandler. https://musiclegends.ca/arthur-silber-interview/IN THIS INTERVIEW����‚�š��[

"Marilyn Monroe Do you remember meeting her ?"

"She's a very quiet, very timid. She is not what everybody tried to make her be. Trust me, she was not. "

" She was always under control of whosoever had her working for them at the time. She just let too many people control her. All the way down from President Kennedy, his brother and the rest of the people. I'm not going to get into that story 'cuz I think everybody thinks they know the whole story and they really don't. "

"All she wanted was to be happy. She really wanted to be married and have a baby. I can tell you that."

" Just from she and I talking together at a party once, as a matter of fact. She was very nice to me. I have a picture of that, of her talking to me. Matter of fact, that picture is in my book, Jeff Chandler and myself and Marilyn Monroe. That's who is in the picture. [/b][/i]A very simple little party. Enough of that. Ask me another question. "

So, is this the actual photo of Silber with Chandler and Marilyn ? Or is there another of the 3 of them alone without Sammy as he says in the interview ?


This photo is a fake possibly made by... this author to bring him a notoriety with Marilyn. Look at the contours of the face of Arthur Silber in the photo, the contours are not clear. The position of the hands is not correct. It would be interesting to find the original photo with Milton Greene.

 

Posted by: Joan Newman Jun 5 2017, 03:31 AM

QUOTE(CYRILPARIS @ May 10 2017, 10:30 AM) *
This photo is a fake possibly made by... this author to bring him a notoriety with Marilyn. Look at the contours of the face of Arthur Silber in the photo, the contours are not clear. The position of the hands is not correct. It would be interesting to find the original photo with Milton Greene.
Thank you Eric bye1.gif . The photo does look funny to me. Thank you Paul for this beauty jumpymm.gif clapping.gif


 

Posted by: CYRILPARIS Jun 7 2017, 12:40 PM

QUOTE(Joan Newman @ Jun 5 2017, 04:31 AM) *
Thank you Eric bye1.gif . The photo does look funny to me. Thank you Paul for this beauty jumpymm.gif clapping.gif


It's not the same event. This photo is for Sammy Davis Jr's 29th birthday party at december 8, 1954
and the before photos are for Jess Rand's party at his home at december 2, 1954

Posted by: suusmarie Jun 13 2017, 02:44 AM

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Posted by: Joan Newman Jun 13 2017, 05:48 AM

QUOTE(suusmarie @ Jun 13 2017, 01:44 AM) *
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stretcher.gif jumpymm.gif clapping.gif mf_w00t1.gif

Thank you Suus for ALL the great images on so many threads today and on so many days. Don't know how you do it.

This one was the best for me. Thank you. clapping.gif


Posted by: linkeando Jul 26 2017, 03:04 AM

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Posted by: Stacy Jul 26 2017, 06:45 PM

oh, great info Jeannette.

Posted by: linkeando Jul 27 2017, 12:34 PM

Fred Robbins was a DJ
Yes, photo by Jess Rand, but... what's WABC Radio Personale?

Posted by: Stacy Jul 27 2017, 04:33 PM

It was the radio station where he worked as a "personality."

Posted by: linkeando Jul 27 2017, 11:48 PM

oh! thank you!!!

Posted by: ginie Feb 9 2018, 05:55 PM

(better quality)






Posted by: Joan Newman Jan 19 2020, 07:35 PM

QUOTE(Nettie @ Jul 30 2012, 12:01 AM) *
clapping.gif Thank you Jeannette bye1.gif

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR1.TRC0.A0.H0.TRS0&_nkw=MARILYN+MONROE++CANDID+&_sacat=0
Rare Candid Photo Marilyn Monroe Club Mocambo Hollywood Liberace Gloria Swanson.

https://argonautnews.com/television-actor-andre-philippe-who-was-recently-known-as-everett-cooperstein-dies-at-79/
Marilyn and actor/crooner Andre Phillipe
After returning from Paris to the United States, Philippe started working nightclubs as a singer, notably in Pittsburgh and at the Mocambo on the Sunset Strip. It was at the Mocambo where Philippe got the opportunity to rub shoulders with and get to know the likes of Marilyn Monroe and Gloria Swanson.

Edited: Sammy's mom was was with them at Sammy's house as well as at the Mocambo.
https://gramho.com/explore-hashtag/samuelgeorgedavisjr

December 1954. Jess Rand, Sammy, Tony Curtis, and Jeff Chandler.




 

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