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Posted by: Bobby May 26 2008, 03:34 PM

A film best remembered for the real-life fling between its on screen leads, Let's Make Love was released in September 1960 and was directed by George Cukor. Marilyn famously (allegedly) had an affair with co-star Yves Montand who was acting in his breakthrough role outside Europe. Gregory Peck backed out of the project after several script re-writes from Arthur Miller, which put more emphasis on Marilyn's character, Amanda Dell.

I enjoyed watching this film. It's a shame there isn't more Marilyn but the 'My Heart Belongs to Daddy' sequence more than makes up for that and in my opinion rivals 'Diamonds are a Girl's Best Friend' as Marilyn's best on-screen musical performance. But even in the scenes without Marilyn, I thought Montand did very well - particularly in the scenes involving Milton Berle, Bing Crosby and Gene Kelly. What did you think?


Posted by: magda24 May 26 2008, 05:03 PM

I remember LOVING this movie as a kid. Now, I have mixed feelings. Love the musical numbers, some dialogues are quite funny and the acting is not bad. And I find Marilyn beautiful, even if slightly overweight. What is curious for me that in every Marilyn biography I read it says that LML kind of failed in the box office, while on IMDB it says that it earned 3 million dolars. it's pretty much for 1960, isn't it?So was it a flop or not?

Posted by: Tara May 26 2008, 07:08 PM

It's not one of my favourite MM movies. I like her rehearsal scenes, and My Heart Belongs To Daddy is superb. But the script isn't as sharp as it should be, and it seems to drag on forever. I wonder what someone like Billy Wilder might have done with it. George Cukor's direction doesn't seem to bring out the best in Marilyn, which is strange because he worked so well with other actresses. Also I find Yves Montand very awkward but it was his first English-speaking movie, so it must have been difficult for him.

Posted by: lorileime May 27 2008, 12:25 AM

I hope no one hates me for saying this but LML is probably the worst movie ever made. The story line is lame and the characters are so underdeveloped that they're completely flat. I would have loved to concetrate more on Amanda's relationship with her Pastor father and less on Jean Marc's inablility to woo someone without his money. The only redeeming scenes are the Daddy number and the the very very end of the film when Marilyn and Yves are in the elevator and he's singing to her. That it. I remember reading that Marilyn was in such a state during the filming of this movie that there are so many cut and pasted scenes. You can really see this in the scene at the Chinese restaurant when the photography goes back and forth between Marilyn and Montand. If you watch closely you can see how Marilyn never blocked a single take there. Everytime the camera goes to Montand and then back to Marilyn, she is in a different position from the last time or her hair is different or her clothes are draped differently. I have often felt that those scenes might not even be Marilyn but Evelyn Moriarty. Next time you watch it, look closely.

Posted by: marilynfanonline May 27 2008, 12:30 AM

I just think this was the kind of material that would have worked for Marilyn around 1951/52. Let's face it she was getting older and I feel that in this film she looked it. She looked older than the other chorus girls and clearly out of place in this dumb excuse for a musical.

Point proven that Fox was offering her crap basically.

Posted by: Bobby May 27 2008, 11:50 AM

Crikey, those are some damning reports! I personally didn't and don't think it's as bad as all that. I'm surprised how little screen time Marilyn is given (especially considering Miller had edited the script to give 'Amanda' a bigger role) but as I said above, I quite enjoyed Montand's scenes. I found the plot interesting and really, the only problem I have with the film is its lack of Marilyn - I mean, if you've got MM, you should use her as much as possible.

I disagree that she looked out of place. Also, I've never agreed with this theory that Marilyn looked so chunky and/or old. Clearly, she's carriyng a couple more pounds than Lorelei Lee for example but there's no way - in my opinion at least - she looks grossly overweight, or indeed overweight at all.

Posted by: Katri^ May 27 2008, 01:05 PM

I don't think this movie is that bad at all! I enjoy watching it. I like the songs and the story is ok too. Actually the story itself is nice, but I don't like the script in some scenes.

Marilyn definitely wasn't at her best, but I wouldn't say that she looked old or anything either. Sure, she did look a bit chubbier (but I think that's only cute!), and she was getting older, but only a bit. There isn't that much change in her. I think it was the hair that made her look "not-so-good"!

Not a great film, but not a bad film either. In the middle, I guess. : ) I definitely like this more than RONR, for example.

Posted by: mmmMarilyn May 27 2008, 01:46 PM

I like this movie, I don't love it. My sister and I enjoy performing at MM and Frankie Vaughan and singing "Specialization," and I think Yves Montand is super handsome and actually pretty funny in a cute frenchman way. There is just something about the look of the film that is stale for me--there isn't much color (MM's teal leotard, blue sparkly "Let's Make Love" number dress, and red lipstick stand out for me) Everybody is always wearing black or tan, the inside of the theater is dark, it all looks so gloomy. And yes, she was a little bigger and looked a little older but was still cute. Some of the lines were funny, some were corny, overall I don't mind it and will pop it in whenever I feel like singing.

Posted by: abeautifulchild May 28 2008, 02:36 AM

QUOTE(lorileime @ May 27 2008, 12:25 AM) *
I hope no one hates me for saying this but LML is probably the worst movie ever made.


I agree, there's not much else to say. As Marilyn said, she hardly even had a part. And I hate to say it, but Marilyn looks the worst she ever had on screen. Yves Montand was awful in this, he was dull and you couldn't understand him and anyway he just wasn't right for this type of movie. Hated it, hated it, hated it. Perhaps it could have been good if they could have gotten Rock Hudson. And I agree with Tara, maybe Billy Wilder could have made this one great. A good movie starts with a good director, and obviously Cukor was not up to par.

Posted by: bruno May 30 2008, 09:55 PM

A little overweight, probably, but her face looks more mature, and it gives her a particular charm that remains long after the film has ended. Her hairstyle is also more modern, and simple, which I appreciate. I think most of her close-ups are really beautiful.
Her acting is quite honest -except may be in a couple of scenes, like when Montand tells her who he is for the first time, in the theater. Overall, I ratherr like her in it.
But the movie itself...brrrrh !
Montand was not very subtle, but the screenplay did not help. Heavy heavy heavy.
I think Milton's Berle appearance is a failure -not funny at all, and far too long .
But there are still some charming moments, and "my heart belongs to daddy" is, according to me, one of her best musical performances -even better than Diamond's (much more inventive).
One important thing also : she is not of course a brilliant woman, but at least not as stupid as most of her earlier characters, and this is quite a thing.

Posted by: Katri^ May 31 2008, 09:06 AM

QUOTE(bruno @ May 30 2008, 09:55 PM) *
A little overweight, probably, but her face looks more mature, and it gives her a particular charm that remains long after the film has ended. Her hairstyle is also more modern, and simple, which I appreciate. I think most of her close-ups are really beautiful.
Her acting is quite honest -except may be in a couple of scenes, like when Montand tells her who he is for the first time, in the theater. Overall, I ratherr like her in it.
But the movie itself...brrrrh !
Montand was not very subtle, but the screenplay did not help. Heavy heavy heavy.
I think Milton's Berle appearance is a failure -not funny at all, and far too long .
But there are still some charming moments, and "my heart belongs to daddy" is, according to me, one of her best musical performances -even better than Diamond's (much more inventive).
One important thing also : she is not of course a brilliant woman, but at least not as stupid as most of her earlier characters, and this is quite a thing.


I agree. That scene is awful. rolleyes1.gif

Posted by: JanCollector Jun 1 2008, 04:44 PM

QUOTE(abeautifulchild @ May 28 2008, 02:36 AM) *
I agree, there's not much else to say. As Marilyn said, she hardly even had a part. And I hate to say it, but Marilyn looks the worst she ever had on screen. Yves Montand was awful in this, he was dull and you couldn't understand him and anyway he just wasn't right for this type of movie. Hated it, hated it, hated it. Perhaps it could have been good if they could have gotten Rock Hudson. And I agree with Tara, maybe Billy Wilder could have made this one great. A good movie starts with a good director, and obviously Cukor was not up to par.


I think a good movie starts with a good script. Wilder made his fair share of duds, too (most after 1963). I think he would have had a keener sense of pacing than Cukor, but I don't think his presence alone would have been enough to save the film since the script was completely unserviceable.

Posted by: Bobby Jun 1 2008, 05:18 PM

I think it should be pointed out that George Cukor has, and had, a very rich pedigree for making great pictures. He directed some real classics; The Philadelphia Story, Dinner at Eight, A Star is Born, Little Women, My Fair Lady. He seems to be taking a bit of stick in this thread!

For those who dislike LML - is the director the major problem do you think?

Posted by: Katri^ Jun 1 2008, 06:20 PM

In the many scenes that I don't like, to me it's the director. It would have been very much different with some other director. : (

Posted by: JanCollector Jun 1 2008, 06:37 PM

QUOTE(Bobby @ Jun 1 2008, 05:18 PM) *
I think it should be pointed out that George Cukor has, and had, a very rich pedigree for making great pictures. He directed some real classics; The Philadelphia Story, Dinner at Eight, A Star is Born, Little Women, My Fair Lady. He seems to be taking a bit of stick in this thread!

For those who dislike LML - is the director the major problem do you think?


For me it's the script.

Cukor will always be disliked by many Marilyn fans because of his lack of appreciation and respect for her.

Posted by: abeautifulchild Jun 1 2008, 06:40 PM

QUOTE(JanCollector @ Jun 1 2008, 04:44 PM) *
I think a good movie starts with a good script. Wilder made his fair share of duds, too (most after 1963). I think he would have had a keener sense of pacing than Cukor, but I don't think his presence alone would have been enough to save the film since the script was completely unserviceable.



QUOTE(Bobby @ Jun 1 2008, 05:18 PM) *
I think it should be pointed out that George Cukor has, and had, a very rich pedigree for making great pictures. He directed some real classics; The Philadelphia Story, Dinner at Eight, A Star is Born, Little Women, My Fair Lady. He seems to be taking a bit of stick in this thread!

For those who dislike LML - is the director the major problem do you think?


I just think that the movie could have been salvaged if maybe another director was put in and there was another lead actor. Yes, the storyline wasn't completely original, but it could have been great. I mean look at Gentlemen Prefer Blondes- the plot wasn't the greatest but the actors, the jokes, the dance numbers etc. made it.

And I don't know, but I think that Yves Montand never would seem right for the part, no matter if he was just learning English or not, because he just doesn't look believeable to me. I mean he certainly looks like a snobbish billionaire, but a song and dance happy go lucky guy? Not in my book.

And as far as Cukor is concerned, yes, he had some good films to his name, certainly. But we all know the hell he reaked on the set of SGTG. MM wanted to replace him with Jean Negulsco I think for this reason. She said it herself in the Person to Person interview: "more important than the story I think is the director because a director usually has a good story- a GOOD director usually has a good story..."

Posted by: JanCollector Jun 1 2008, 06:43 PM

QUOTE(abeautifulchild @ Jun 1 2008, 06:40 PM) *
I just think that the movie could have been salvaged if maybe another director was put in and there was another lead actor. Yes, the storyline wasn't completely original, but it could have been great. I mean look at Gentlemen Prefer Blondes- the plot wasn't the greatest but the actors, the jokes, the dance numbers etc. made it.

And I don't know, but I think that Yves Montand never would seem right for the part, no matter if he was just learning English or not, because he just doesn't look believeable to me. I mean he certainly looks like a snobbish billionaire, but a song and dance happy go lucky guy? Not in my book.

And as far as Cukor is concerned, yes, he had some good films to his name, certainly. But were those films comedies? Most were dramas. And we all know the hell he reaked on the set of SGTG. MM wanted to replace him with Jean Negulsco I think for this reason. She said it herself in the Person to Person interview: "more important than the story I think is the director because a director usually has a good story- a GOOD director usually has a good story..."


Cukor directed many classic, Oscar-winning comedies in the 30's and 40's. By the 60's he was pretty washed up (he had a brief renaissance with My Fair Lady in 1964).

Posted by: Tara Jun 1 2008, 06:46 PM

Wilder was originally slated to direct LML, however after the tribulations of SLIH I don't know if that would have worked out. I thought he might have injected some humour into the script though. And I agree, Cukor was a great women's director - that's why I can't understand why his work with Marilyn wasn't better.

Posted by: abeautifulchild Jun 1 2008, 06:47 PM

QUOTE(JanCollector @ Jun 1 2008, 06:43 PM) *
Cukor directed many classic, Oscar-winning comedies in the 30's and 40's. By the 60's he was pretty washed up (he had a brief renaissance with My Fair Lady in 1964).



Oh. I have to say, I'm not really familiar with his work, but whenever I think of him as a director outside MM I always think of Little Women biggrin.gif

I still stand by the fact that I think the movie would have been better if there was a different director, though.

Posted by: JanCollector Jun 1 2008, 06:53 PM

QUOTE(abeautifulchild @ Jun 1 2008, 06:47 PM) *
Oh. I have to say, I'm not really familiar with his work, but whenever I think of him as a director outside MM I always think of Little Women biggrin.gif I still stand by the fact that I think the movie would have been better if there was a different director, though.
I agree with you. It would have been a better picture because another director might have treated Marilyn better, and probably would have had a keener sense of pacing. Cukor was really at home working with a witty, dialogue-driven script, which is why he often worked with Katharine Hepburn. Honestly for Cukor the script always determined the quality of the picture.Yves Montand is one big wet fish, though. Perhaps the worst leading man she ever had? It should have been Dean Martin in this role.
QUOTE(Tara @ Jun 1 2008, 06:46 PM) *
Wilder was originally slated to direct LML, however after the tribulations of SLIH I don't know if that would have worked out. I thought he might have injected some humour into the script though. And I agree, Cukor was a great women's director - that's why I can't understand why his work with Marilyn wasn't better.
I've never heard of this, but honestly I doubt it, because Wilder was a writer-director, and after making a big name for himself in the early 40's, he never directed anything that he also did not write.

Posted by: abeautifulchild Jun 1 2008, 06:55 PM

QUOTE(JanCollector @ Jun 1 2008, 06:53 PM) *
Yves Montand is one big wet fish, though. Perhaps the worst leading man she ever had? It should have been Dean Martin in this role.



Excellent idea! Now that would have been great!

I don't like to talk badly about people, but I really have to say that I don't like Montand at ALL. I hate the guy, he was awful both on and off the set of LML that's for sure.

Posted by: JanCollector Jun 1 2008, 07:01 PM

QUOTE(abeautifulchild @ Jun 1 2008, 06:55 PM) *
Excellent idea! Now that would have been great!

I don't like to talk badly about people, but I really have to say that I don't like Montand at ALL. I hate the guy, he was awful both on and off the set of LML that's for sure.


To be fair, Marilyn rarely found a leading man that could match her on screen. In fact, Tony Curtis is the only one I can really say generated a lot of heat with her.

She and David Wayne had no romantic chemistry of course, but made an excellent comedic team.

Posted by: abeautifulchild Jun 1 2008, 07:03 PM

QUOTE(JanCollector @ Jun 1 2008, 07:01 PM) *
To be fair, Marilyn rarely found a leading man that could match her on screen. In fact, Tony Curtis is the only one I can really say generated a lot of heat with her.

She and David Wayne had no romantic chemistry of course, but made an excellent comedic team.



True, but even with that I don't think that the majority of people would put him in their top 5.

Posted by: JanCollector Jun 1 2008, 07:06 PM

QUOTE(abeautifulchild @ Jun 1 2008, 07:03 PM) *
True, but even with that I don't think that the majority of people would put him in their top 5.


Oh, definitely not LOL. He's the big ole' bottom on my list.

Posted by: Alanma Jun 2 2008, 04:37 PM


Ask yourself, how could a movie with such a cast - Marilyn, Montand, Wilfred Hyde-White, Frankie Vaughan, Milton Berle, Bing Crosby and Gene Kelly - possibly fail?
The inclusion of the last three smacks of desperation and last minute panic
True, there were too many hands stirring the writing pot, but the 'buck' must ultimately stop at the Director.
That is what he is paid for!

Posted by: bruno Jun 2 2008, 08:05 PM

I sometimes have the feeling they tried to use the ingredients of SLH to make a success of LML :
the hidden identity of the male star, and the subsequent confusion in the situations between leading stars, until the end.
(Sugar tells Josephine she loves saxophone players, Amanda tells Alexander Dumas she hates JM Clement).
Yet, a female star who doesn't want to marry a millionaire is the mirror of a woman who does want to marry a millionaire.
Both are naturally artists/singers. Second roles are lead by famous people in both cases, with references well known to the public...
It seems screenwriters tried to analyze very carefully what made the success of SLH, and did a variation of it.
That never does a good movie, according to me.

Posted by: mmmMarilyn Jun 3 2008, 02:21 AM

I'm pretty sure I'm the only one here who actually likes Yves Montand, but I suppose I just have a thing for french guys.
I love his voice and his weird smile and how uncomfortable/nerdy he gets around Amanda!

Posted by: AdoreMarilynMonroe Jun 3 2008, 05:59 AM

Sigh, thinking of Dean Martin as the lead in LML makes me think of SGTG, and how very badly I wish they could have completed the film together. I thought they had fabulous chemistry in the scenes that did get filmed.

Back to LML though. It isn't my favorite Marilyn film, but I love the "My Heart Belongs To Daddy" number. I think "Amanda" had a more interesting relationship with her friend and fellow actor in the theatre. Some of the jokes in the film are quite funny and I think Marilyn looks beautiful. I appreciate how much she tried to bring out in "Amanda" if that makes sense to anyone. I hate the "Specialization" song. I think it's the worst number she had to do. Ugh. LOL

Posted by: abeautifulchild Jun 3 2008, 06:08 AM

Yes, Marilyn did extremely well considering the blandness of the script and the character. Although to me, this is the only role I can recall where she didn't sparkle. And we know she was capable of shining in small roles and bit parts from seeing her early films. I guess this goes back to the director and the script: she had nothing to work with.

The highlight of the film is 'MHBTD', definitely. Truth be told, (aside from how awful it was) I think it's the only thing most people remember about this movie.

Posted by: Elsie Marina Jun 17 2008, 05:48 PM

Another moment of my wierdness in regards to Marilyn films (but not counting the first 20 minutes or so where marilyn is no where in sight) this is actually one of my favourite Marlyn films laugh.gif

Posted by: magda24 Jun 17 2008, 07:39 PM

QUOTE(mmmMarilyn @ Jun 3 2008, 03:21 AM) *
I'm pretty sure I'm the only one here who actually likes Yves Montand, but I suppose I just have a thing for french guys.
I love his voice and his weird smile and how uncomfortable/nerdy he gets around Amanda!


I liked Montand as well!I generally like this movie, though I can see how flawed it is. but Marilyn gives a very true performance, IMO.

Posted by: Tara Jun 17 2008, 08:08 PM

I've never much cared for LML, but I may give it another try sometime soon.

Posted by: Bobby Jun 17 2008, 09:11 PM

QUOTE(magda24 @ Jun 17 2008, 08:39 PM) *
I liked Montand as well!I generally like this movie, though I can see how flawed it is. but Marilyn gives a very true performance, IMO.

I'm with you both on that - as I said, I quite liked both the film and Montand's performance. Marilyn was of course delightful and I loved her hair, especially when it falls down over her eyes at one point in 'Daddy', so adorable blush.gif

Tara - you definitely should. Report back here if your opinion changes at all!

Posted by: Tiina Jul 11 2008, 06:50 AM

Interesting opinions guys! jumpymm.gif Personally I really like this movie. Seriously. smile1.gif I enjoy it.
It's a bit naive in a way and I know that Marilyn hated it, but I don't think it's that bad at all. In my opinion Marilyn looked beautiful as always and played her part extremely well if you think about how heavy the script was. I also think that it's great that Montad and Marilyn could stand by each other during the filming of LML. She helped him and he helped her.
I also really enjoy all the music this film produced and the musical numbers in it.

Posted by: Vicoria Hoffman 1975 Jul 31 2008, 02:10 PM

When I was about 14, this was the only film I had on tape and having not seen many of her films to compare it with, I couldnt understand why it got bad reviews in the books I had.

I still dont think its the worst movie ever but you would have thought Fox would have put her in something a bit better. Sometimes I think she looks a bit poorly but not sure if its the white make-up they use. I noticed her hair seems to change style and even length during a scene.

Posted by: Bobby Aug 18 2008, 01:15 PM

I was watching this again this morning and I'm still not sure why so few MM fans like the movie. To me, Marilyn's acting appears seamless and impressive and I maintain that Montand puts in an accomplished performance in the lead role. I still adore the 'Daddy' number of course and though I thought the script was trying too hard to be funny (and failing), I do think the story is at least intriguing. As I think I've said before, the ending is frustratingly predictable but I enjoy LML far more than RONR and Show Business. Is there anyone that prefers either of those films to this one?

Also, I was reminded this morning just how good Frankie Vaughan was. He had such a strong voice, bless him.

Posted by: magda24 Aug 18 2008, 01:27 PM

QUOTE(Bobby @ Aug 18 2008, 02:15 PM) *
I was watching this again this morning and I'm still not sure why so few MM fans like the movie. To me, Marilyn's acting appears seamless and impressive and I maintain that Montand puts in an accomplished performance in the lead role. I still adore the 'Daddy' number of course and though I thought the script was trying too hard to be funny (and failing), I do think the story is at least intriguing. As I think I've said before, the ending is frustratingly predictable but I enjoy LML far more than RONR and Show Business. Is there anyone that prefers either of those films to this one?

Also, I was reminded this morning just how good Frankie Vaughan was. He had such a strong voice, bless him.

I couldn't agree more with every word you wrote. I find Show Business (and RONR less so) tiresome, cheesy and boring, with Marilyn performance less than perfect, I'm afraid. LML, flawed as we all agreed, is still a piece of entertaining flick, and Marilyn- she really impresses me! I watched it again coupke weeks ago with my mum. She had some fresh view on it and said that Marilyn had convinced ehr completely and it was one of the cases she saw the character, not the actress behind it (cause Marilyn's personality, or rather Marilyn's persona sometimes seems to overshadow the characters she portrayed).

Posted by: Bobby Aug 18 2008, 01:54 PM

That's an interesting point, thanks for sharing that Magda. I agree too that, as a summary, LML is certainly flawed but at least entertaining on the whole. Good post thumbup1.gif

Posted by: ziggy Aug 22 2008, 10:59 AM

It's agonizingly average. It's not the awful failure everyone says it is - I wish it was! At least there'd be something to laugh at, hold on to, be amused by. As it stands, the flick reeks of blandness. It's professionally directed, acted, written, staged - but there's no life. It's like an overtly easy crossword puzzle; it never entertains or challenges you the way it could and should.

Posted by: nicky62 Aug 22 2008, 01:23 PM

IMO I think that if you take away Marilyn from LML and TNBLSB they are just plain boring movies I like Marilyn as Vicki and as Amanda but dont like the characters with her LML would have been a different film if Rock Hudson wouldve accepted working with her in it but he was working on another film and wasnt available . In TNBLSB she is cute and the costumes are great especially her songs . a man chases a girl is one of my faves and Lazy , in LML I like the way she sings Specialization and My heart belongs to daddy

Posted by: magda24 Aug 22 2008, 01:29 PM

QUOTE(nicky62 @ Aug 22 2008, 02:23 PM) *
IMO I think that if you take away Marilyn from LML and TNBLSB they are just plain boring movies I like Marilyn as Vicki and as Amanda but dont like the characters with her LML would have been a different film if Rock Hudson wouldve accepted working with her in it but he was working on another film and wasnt available . In TNBLSB she is cute and the costumes are great especially her songs . a man chases a girl is one of my faves and Lazy , in LML I like the way she sings Specialization and My heart belongs to daddy


I agree Nicky, her voice and singing in LML is perfect.I know a jazz standard "My heart belongs to daddy" but even sung by such great divas like Ella Fitzgerald it has less power and appeal than sung by our girl ( if I may call her that). But I'm afraid her dress in Specialisation wasn't flattering.....

Posted by: Bobby Aug 22 2008, 03:56 PM

QUOTE(magda24 @ Aug 22 2008, 02:29 PM) *
I know a jazz standard "My heart belongs to daddy" but even sung by such great divas like Ella Fitzgerald it has less power and appeal than sung by our girl ( if I may call her that). But I'm afraid her dress in Specialisation wasn't flattering.....

I concur with both points. In fact, her dress for the song LML was also unflattering. Actually, I don't like that song or performance at all. At least the performance of Specialization was enjoyable, fun, steady.

Posted by: nino89 Aug 31 2008, 12:12 PM

This is one of my avorite Marilyn Monroe movies biggrin.gif When I saw it for the first time I didn't like it...It seed too slow, and "silly", but since then I watched it for a milion times, and every time I like it more smile1.gif Yes there are many "mistakes" in this movie (lack of chemistry beetwen Marilyn and leading man, her "fatness')  but it is still very enjoyable smile1.gif 



I sadi fatness... hmmmm, don't get me wrng but she was not thin in that movie as she was in past films, but I think that she never was sexyer ... I don't know why, but she looks realy femmine in this film smile1.gif I realy like her biggrin.gif Today there is no star that god get a little weight and look so wonderful like her wink3.gif 


Posted by: Tara Sep 20 2008, 08:51 PM

I said I'd watch it again and I did. LML is OK but not great IMO, wish I enjoyed it more. I like some of the music and the idea behind the story, but thought there should have been a funnier script - and it would have worked better if Marilyn and Yves had more chemistry onscreen. If only Marilyn had got better material to work with, it could have been a great movie and not just a so-so one.

Compared to TNBLSB and RONR - I think her acting is best in LML and the music is best in RONR, so RONR is my marginal favourite of the three. TLBLSB I have never liked much.

Posted by: Bobby Sep 22 2008, 05:44 PM

QUOTE(Tara @ Sep 20 2008, 09:51 PM) *
Compared to TNBLSB and RONR - I think her acting is best in LML and the music is best in RONR.

Yeah I agree. But I must say, the 'Daddy' number still stands aloft outshining any of the (faultless) RONR songs and performances.

Posted by: Sugar Kane Oct 3 2008, 07:28 PM

It's one of my favourite Marilyn Monroe movies.. jumpymm.gif jumpymm.gif

Posted by: nicky62 Oct 14 2008, 04:36 AM

banana.gif Candids in beteen takes from LML banana.gif
nicky62



 

Posted by: pinup Oct 14 2008, 08:18 AM

Imo I think the problem with lml is Montand, he doesnt seem to have any depth and keeps the same vacant look on his face, hes supposed to be desperately in love with Marilyn in the film but he doesnt really show it in his face (if you know what I mean!) Its a same there wasnt another leading man.
As for Marilyn I loved her in this film, I love all her songs and I love the part where she skips from rehersal, I think its a less favorite among Marilyn fans mostly because of her co-stars after all its nothing compared to gpb with jane russell, htmam with bacall and grable, slih with lemmon and curtis, tsyi with ewell etc etc.

Posted by: Bobby Oct 19 2008, 08:43 PM

I was wondering something about 'My Heart Belongs to Daddy' today. I just wanted to clarify: the 'Daddy' referred to in the song is a Gus Esmond type of 'daddy' rather than a girl's father, right? It's utterly unimportant but I've never been sure.

Thanks in advance blush.gif


Posted by: Vicoria Hoffman 1975 Oct 19 2008, 08:48 PM

I think its one of those songs you can take either way. At least I hope it is because my four year old daughter was prancing about a playground, swinging about poles and singing that very song the other week.

Posted by: lorileime Oct 19 2008, 09:54 PM

"My name is........Lolita" That tells you exactly what's its about. Remember the whole premise of the story in Let's Make Love is that the theatre group is making fun of well known people of the time. Maria Callas, Elvis Presley, and Vladimire Nabokov the author of Lolita_the story of a romance between a very older man and a very young girl in her late teens. It was published in 1955 and was considered very lascivious and amost pornographic. In the song though, instead of seeing it as a young girl being molested and taken advantage of by an old man, she gets the upper hand and is taking advantage of him. And Marilyn sang it beautifully.

QUOTE(lorileime @ Oct 19 2008, 04:50 PM) *
"My name is........Lolita" That tells you exactly what's its about. Remember the whole premise of the story in Let's Make Love is that the theatre group is making fun of well known people of the time. Maria Callas, Elvis Presley, and Vladimire Nabokov the author of Lolita_the story of a romance between a very older man and a very young girl in her late teens. It was published in 1955 and was considered very lascivious and amost pornographic. In the song though, instead of seeing it as a young girl being molested and taken advantage of by an old man, she gets the upper hand and is taking advantage of him. And Marilyn sang it beautifully.
And Bobby, yes, it is DADDY as in SUGAR DADDY not father daddy. That's how Marilyn is able to turn the tables in the song. She's in control because SHE knows she means Sugar Daddy.

Posted by: Vicoria Hoffman 1975 Oct 19 2008, 10:30 PM

Oh dear... My little girl thinks she was singing to her daddy that she didnt want to be bad!?!?! (lets leave her with the illusion for now)

Posted by: Bobby Oct 20 2008, 05:01 PM

Yeah, let's! Probably for the best blush.gif

Thanks for confirming it Tony, that's what I thought. As Caroline says, I suppose in theory you can take it either way and there's no harm done.

Posted by: Tiina Oct 21 2008, 08:18 AM

That song was written by a man. smile1.gif It was voted as the "gayest" song ever on a Finnish website Life in gay Finland. clapping.gif

Completely useless information, but oh well! laugh.gif

Posted by: Demos Kratos Oct 27 2008, 02:07 PM

QUOTE(Tiina @ Oct 21 2008, 09:18 AM) *
That song was written by a man. smile1.gif It was voted as the "gayest" song ever on a Finnish website Life in gay Finland. clapping.gif

Completely useless information, but oh well! laugh.gif


LOL, I actually think the song is quite funny especially the dancers smile1.gif But I like it, its got a quirky upbeat feeling about it smile1.gif

Posted by: Kowalczyk Jan 10 2009, 01:02 PM

I watched this yesterday. I enjoyed it more than I thought I would - much preferring it to RONR and TNBLSB like I think Magda and Bobby said. I think the plot is very silly but I like the songs well enough and I don't mind Montand. Marilyn doesn't have much to do I guess but what she did she did well and I don't think she looked bad here. I love her haircut, I think it makes her look like a doll.

Ziggy said LML has "no life". I agree with this, the lack of that something most Marilyn movies have is what got me most. Maybe it is down to the gloominess of it - as Colby said, it's dark and as others have said her outfits aren't spectacular.

It's interesting that Alex says maybe it should've had Rock Hudson cos I kept thinking this reminds me of a Doris Day movie - it had Tony Randall, it had a guy pretending to be someone else instead of the playboy he is and the title music sounds sort of Doris Day-like... I can't really explain what I mean here. laugh.gif

Sorry for quoting you all but I just read through the thread.

Lastly, "I loved her hair, especially when it falls down over her eyes at one point in 'Daddy', so adorable" - I was gonna say that too!

Oh yeah, and I LOVED "My Heart Belongs to Daddy", I've got it on CD but it was much better with the performance as well... It was the highlight of the film IMO.

Posted by: Bobby Jan 11 2009, 12:56 PM

I totally agree that the 'Daddy' number is certainly the highlight of the film. In fact, I think I agree with all your opinions there (especially about Marilyn's hair). Thanks for sharing your thoughts after watching for the first time thumbup1.gif


Posted by: abeautifulchild Jan 13 2009, 04:55 AM

Dead-on review, Angela. And I totally agree: as empty as LML is, I like it a hell of a lot better than TNBLSB!

ps: I am going to sue you for quoting me without consent laugh.gif laugh.gif wink3.gif!

Posted by: Kowalczyk Jan 13 2009, 03:56 PM

Hahahahahah! Well it sounds sort of weird writing it like that and not explaining why, so. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Maryleen_McBeat Jan 13 2009, 05:11 PM

I remember my first view of LML and I loved this movie from first 5 minutes. It's one of my favorite, I find it interesting, funny, a bit romantic, Marilyn played great and her character -Amanda- is so lovely, Yves is beautiful. Well, I love this movie and always recommend it to Marilyn's fan who have never seen it before and read bad reviews, this movie is very nice!!!

Posted by: Fav Jan 26 2009, 05:59 PM

I've just got this movie on now after not watching it for several years. I must say that I used to dislike it intensely like many here. However, my opinion has changed (or maybe I have). Do you know I do wonder if the title of the movie was controversial for 1960. Was it thought it would sound provocotive enough to bring in the crowds? I wonder if it was always due to be called that.

Anyway, back to the business in hand. I found Marilyn's performance to be very charming. Yes, they have tried to make her too charming in places - knitting the sweater type garment that she hasn't decided what it is yet, going to night school to better herself, her father being a vicar etc but it works for me in these gloomy times and you can kind of see why Jean Marc would have done the stupid things that he did to get her. I like the fact that the script shows her to be a very honest girl with great integrity and down to earthness which she acts out very well. I could actually imagine her throwing that hairbrush down when she thinks she is being made fun as Alex is trying to prove to her who really is. But, not just because I am a fan, she didn't get enough airtime. There was too much Yves and not enough Marilyn - could that have been for the sanity of the crew though knowing her on set reputation or just that the script writers didn't know what they were doing!

Yves Montand does an ok job. Maybe some of our opinions of him are coloured by the way he treated Marilyn? His acting does make me believe his Jean March Clement character is this womaniser and I do believe he falls for this one girl because she talks directly to him like a real person - which must be very refreshing. So I guess half of his work actually did work. However maybe it is the lost in translation thing as I don't get the depth from him. But how much depth is there in this script.

The surrounding cast are a bit hit and miss. Let me say that I think Tony Randall is wonderful! His retort to Jean Marc's 'you can't hold your drink' - 'I don't see any leaking out anywhere' is classic. I wonder if the actors acting as the shows manager and floor manager felt despair upon reading their lines the first time though. It's pretty dismal for them and I find him an annoying characters. Lily is good, just exactly what she should be - a brassy showgirl without much conscience but I find that George is very annoying - but maybe that is my personal opinion of Wilfred Hyde White. Frankie Vaughan as Tony does a good job and he is supposed to be dating Amanda - but do you actually see them kiss once or act as much more than good friends? It doesn't convince me as a relationship but is that the point? Was she already out of love with him which made it easier for her to fall for Jean Marc? I don't know if the script was actually that clever though. Plus apart from her reaction to their kiss during Incurably Romantic, is there much else to indicate that she would drop Tony like a hot brick at the end when she realises that Alexander is Jean Marc? Are we supposed to not feel sorry for Tony because he has a drink problem ie because he is flawed, does that mean he does not deserve her? Hmm anyway, we could debate the script for a while. The script was what it was - light and frothy. Yes it could have been much better, but it could also have been worse - like others before me I cite There's No Business Like Show Business aka watching paint dry. Bringing in Bing, Gene and Milton was as someone stated before - desperate and unnecessary. Milton Berle's time should have been cut in half at least.

I did get quite a lot of amusement in watching carefully for continuity on this movie after reading earlier posts. The chinese meal scene in particular - I do think that what someone suggested earlier may have happened - some of the back shots do actually look like they are Evelyn Moriarty rather than Marilyn! Plus her hairstyle keeps changing in different shots. And why oh why did the body make up lady not make up Marilyn's legs for the Lets Make Love shoot with Frankie Vaughn. Her legs are brown while the top half of her body is white. Did the run out of time to do it or just run out of powder?

The general look of the movie is gloomy but it may have been shot that way on purpose. They are in a little off broadway theatre with little money for the show as it is being run on a tight budget. They wouldn't have had money to make it too glitzy so maybe the set design and colours used are there to reflect this. If so, the set designer and costumers did a good job!

Anyway, overall I really enjoyed it and it lifted me momentarily out of my recession gloom and once I fast forwarded through the boring first bit, it took me away from reality at least for a little while. For those who don't like it now - go back in a year or so and rewatch it. Your opinion may change. Sure it's not the sweetest candy in the box but if you accept it for what it is, you may just enjoy it.


Posted by: thenewmarilyn Feb 14 2009, 04:29 AM

I love Let's Make Love! I found it very dull at first but I love the sweet character Marilyn plays. She is not a dumb blonde nor is she disturbed like many of Marilyn's roles, she reminds me of what I think Marilyn herself would have been like in a lighter mood. I must say I think Yves Montand is awful though, he is not bad as an actor but I think he is totally lacking in charisma.

Posted by: waif55 Dec 8 2009, 04:08 AM

QUOTE(magda24 @ Aug 18 2008, 04:27 AM) *
I couldn't agree more with every word you wrote. I find Show Business (and RONR less so) tiresome, cheesy and boring, with Marilyn performance less than perfect, I'm afraid. LML, flawed as we all agreed, is still a piece of entertaining flick, and Marilyn- she really impresses me! I watched it again coupke weeks ago with my mum. She had some fresh view on it and said that Marilyn had convinced ehr completely and it was one of the cases she saw the character, not the actress behind it (cause Marilyn's personality, or rather Marilyn's persona sometimes seems to overshadow the characters she portrayed).



I agree with every negative posted aboit this film--the script, the director, the costumes, photography and Marilyn's iffy looks. However, I adore her in this movie. Amanda is one of her most natural performances--she doesn't even use the whisper-baby voice. It's a wretchedly underwritten role, but now unusual to see Marilyn as normal, amiable, attractive, sensiitve young woman! She's really quite good, and her face is wonderfully expressive (well, she has little to do in LML but react!) As for her looks, in and out--some wonderful scenes, others where you see a great deal of strain. LML contains the worst close-up of her career, in the restaurant when Montand tells her who he is. That scene simply should been re-done. She's just ravaged. But she really looks splendid toward the end of the film, in the black suit (out of her own closet and one of her favorite dresses) Her face is leaner and indeed anticipated the regal beauty of "Something's Got To Give." I'll always have a fond spot for LML.

Posted by: tom Dec 27 2009, 10:53 AM

I do think she looks beautiful in this and is natural but I really don't like the movie. It is slow and the best thing other than Marilyn is how good looking Frankie Vaughan

Posted by: SugarKane78 Dec 29 2009, 03:29 PM

I just watched this several days ago - I got it for Christmas as part of the two MM box sets (YAY!). I have very mixed feelings about it.

Specifically, I think it starts off adorably. I love the opening sequence about the history of the Clement family. It reminded me a biit of Sabrina (has anyonne seen it? If not, I HIGHLY recommend it, the original Audrey Hepburn one, that is!). I also LOVED MM's opening dance sequence.

However, it kind of derails a third of thie way through. Way too much emphasis on Yves Montand's efforts to pretend to be an actor. I found that boring. Plus, dropped storylines - what about MM visiting her father, the reverend, who everyone thought was her lover? That was never resolved, and it could have been a hysterical scene if YM tried to burst in and it ended up of course being her dad. Plus, we never get a clear answer as to whether the other guy- his name is escaping me! - is her boyfriend. I think that was left rather poorly unresolved.

In short, it relied too much on gimmick-y appearances by Milton Berle, etc that just didn't work. Plus, and perhaps most importantly, MM was grossly underused in this movie. She was adorable in the scenes she was in, but her character was not developed enough.

My other issue is that the movie almost made MM a caricature of herself. It was the innocent dumb blond woman-child again, and I'm sure by that time she was frustrated with the same role when she was so clearly capable of so much more.

That being said, I did love the final scene in the elevator with MM asking "what will the girls at night school think? Should I still get my diploma?".

Sad that this movie could have been hilarious I think...

Posted by: waif55 Jan 9 2010, 03:26 AM

QUOTE(Bobby @ May 27 2008, 02:50 AM) *
Crikey, those are some damning reports! I personally didn't and don't think it's as bad as all that. I'm surprised how little screen time Marilyn is given (especially considering Miller had edited the script to give 'Amanda' a bigger role) but as I said above, I quite enjoyed Montand's scenes. I found the plot interesting and really, the only problem I have with the film is its lack of Marilyn - I mean, if you've got MM, you should use her as much as possible.I disagree that she looked out of place. Also, I've never agreed with this theory that Marilyn looked so chunky and/or old. Clearly, she's carriyng a couple more pounds than Lorelei Lee for example but there's no way - in my opinion at least - she looks grossly overweight, or indeed overweight at all.
The non-script and Cukor's lanquid direction are the real problem. If Miller "fattened" her role, what could it have been like originally?! She has nothing to do. I think she is really charming here, and acts--when she has the chance--in a natural and believeable fashion. She uses a pretty normal voice. I've always thought Montand was excellent, and had a clear chemistry with her. People disagree because he was not conventially handsome. But there are obvious issues with the lady herself. Perhaps she was in it so little is that she just wasn''t up to any more scenes? Her hair is in shocking condition and her outfits mostly unflatterting. Still, she's MM and has plenty of attractive moments. The musical numbers are amusing but kind of crazy because her character, Amanda is NOT a version of MM, and the musical numbers move to near-parody of her image. It's like she thought--well, they've given me nothing, I have to "do my Marilyn." That might have worked better had she been just a tad trimmer. She's clearly plump in a number of scenes, and close to slender in others (sometimes in the same scene.) But, for all its flaws, I have a very sweet place in my heart for LML.
QUOTE(Bobby @ Jun 1 2008, 08:18 AM) *
I think it should be pointed out that George Cukor has, and had, a very rich pedigree for making great pictures. He directed some real classics; The Philadelphia Story, Dinner at Eight, A Star is Born, Little Women, My Fair Lady. He seems to be taking a bit of stick in this thread!For those who dislike LML - is the director the major problem do you think?
YES!!! And for heaven's sake look at what he was doing with SGTG. The same slow pace all over again. Even with that lousy script, another director would have livened LML up.

Posted by: KingAl May 5 2010, 03:49 PM

Even Though Marilyn hated that movie and it wasn't really a success' I somehow like it. The script is bad but I like Marilyn's musical performance I think it was her best musical performance it's more artistic than in Gentlemen Preffer Blonds.

Posted by: sugarkane20 Nov 22 2010, 09:40 AM

QUOTE(SugarKane78 @ Dec 29 2009, 08:29 AM) *
I just watched this several days ago - I got it for Christmas as part of the two MM box sets (YAY!). I have very mixed feelings about it. Specifically, I think it starts off adorably. I love the opening sequence about the history of the Clement family. It reminded me a biit of Sabrina (has anyonne seen it? If not, I HIGHLY recommend it, the original Audrey Hepburn one, that is!). I also LOVED MM's opening dance sequence.However, it kind of derails a third of thie way through. Way too much emphasis on Yves Montand's efforts to pretend to be an actor. I found that boring. Plus, dropped storylines - what about MM visiting her father, the reverend, who everyone thought was her lover? That was never resolved, and it could have been a hysterical scene if YM tried to burst in and it ended up of course being her dad. Plus, we never get a clear answer as to whether the other guy- his name is escaping me! - is her boyfriend. I think that was left rather poorly unresolved.In short, it relied too much on gimmick-y appearances by Milton Berle, etc that just didn't work. Plus, and perhaps most importantly, MM was grossly underused in this movie. She was adorable in the scenes she was in, but her character was not developed enough.My other issue is that the movie almost made MM a caricature of herself. It was the innocent dumb blond woman-child again, and I'm sure by that time she was frustrated with the same role when she was so clearly capable of so much more.That being said, I did love the final scene in the elevator with MM asking "what will the girls at night school think? Should I still get my diploma?". Sad that this movie could have been hilarious I think...
Sabrina is one of my favorites its the movie that got me into watching classic movies. I was actually surprised to find out that Yves was actually a professional singer in real life.

Posted by: BeforeTheDawn Jan 11 2011, 05:34 AM

This is probably my favorite movie of Marilyn Monroe.

Posted by: kateraw4 Jun 8 2011, 01:56 PM

My Heart Belongs to Daddy is one of my favourite Marilyn set pieces, I know it's over the top but it's just so entertaining and a bit crazy, that's what I like. She was so brave to commit to performances like this. Actually I think she knew no other way but to give her all, even to things that weren't always the best for her.

Posted by: CYRILPARIS Oct 24 2011, 08:49 AM

a few variations for me







 

Posted by: Nettie Oct 25 2011, 04:21 AM

QUOTE(CYRILPARIS @ Oct 24 2011, 07:49 AM) *
a few variations for me



Again, thanks so much. Some rare beauties indeed. She looks great in the leotard.

Posted by: nicky62 Oct 25 2011, 08:10 AM

QUOTE(CYRILPARIS @ Oct 24 2011, 02:49 AM) *
a few variations for me

banana.gif banana.gif banana.gif WoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooW OMG Thank you so much for these rarities hugs nicky62

Posted by: purple-haze Jan 28 2012, 11:55 PM

Just love this movie! Light hearted, funny, great songs. Its one of the few MM films i wouldn't mind having on repeat all day! <3

Posted by: princesshapnick Jan 29 2012, 05:29 PM

The movie is growing on me slowly but I can't stand Yves Montand nor Milton Berle. rolleyes1.gif

Posted by: mberton Jan 31 2012, 01:32 AM

I like Marilyn in LML but prefer many of her other roles. Totally agree that Montand was not right for this film and it shows. Even their off-screen chemistry couldn't save it! I can see why Marilyn hated this film. I don't think Gregory Peck (the initial male lead) would have worked either. Dean Martin would have been perfect in LML, but what do you think about these possibilities as the male lead: William Holden, Gene Kelly (his cameo was fine but, yes, a desperate attempt to save the film), Dick van Dyke, David Niven, James Garner, Cary Grant?

Posted by: Diamond Dec 25 2012, 12:35 PM

I watched It Recently... The script was not a pure thing, but I loved how Montand & Monroe played their parts clapping.gif
And what about the music? Loveedddd the musical numbers so much!


Posted by: bruno Jan 13 2016, 11:48 PM

Does anyone know if a blu-ray version of this movie is in preparation ?
I am surprised not to find any information about it...

 

Posted by: Menna-90 Jul 9 2017, 02:36 PM

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Posted by: bruno Oct 7 2018, 06:32 PM

The blu-ray has finally been released !

 

Posted by: Kelstad Oct 23 2018, 02:01 AM

jumpymm.gif I have it too..so amazing in hd. marilynbybrandon_190.gif

Posted by: Stacy Jan 28 2019, 07:49 AM

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