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> The Secret Tapes Finally Revealed, Full transcript !
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rose
post Dec 12 2005, 08:52 PM
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QUOTE(Nettie @ Dec 10 2005, 07:45 AM) [snapback]93844[/snapback]
I have read in different books that marilyn did swear and use the "f word. I have read that she used it often when arguing with Arthur Miller towards the end of their marriage. I have been trying to find the article that Truman Capote wrote about him and Marilyn where he said she used the "f" word. If I find it I will post it.


Hi Nettie,I think I have read that same article also and well,there's fu*k and other not so nice but normal language which is not to ment to public's ears.After all,she was human being with ups and downs,not a saint or martyr.After all,she didn't even go to church if someone is wondering about it.So,big deal out of normal thing to most of us (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/mmmaf_116.gif)
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post Dec 13 2005, 06:58 AM
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Rose you've told me that you tihnk you saw a different MM Blue Movie then the Arline Hunters' one, and you think it was MM. Well I have a pic of it that I found on a MM Board. This is definately not Marilyn, and she couldn't been MM at all because the movie was made in 1947 or 1948. It's totally crap!
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post Dec 13 2005, 07:59 AM
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QUOTE(Robby @ Dec 13 2005, 05:58 AM) [snapback]94040[/snapback]
Rose you've told me that you tihnk you saw a different MM Blue Movie then the Arline Hunters' one, and you think it was MM. Well I have a pic of it that I found on a MM Board. This is definately not Marilyn, and she couldn't been MM at all because the movie was made in 1947 or 1948. It's totally crap!



(IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/yucky.gif) Those are horrible fakes.
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post Dec 13 2005, 06:07 PM
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Does anybody know who is the actress?
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post Dec 19 2005, 11:26 AM
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After reading Matthew Smith's Secret Tapes of MM, I felt, like many Monroe fans, disappointed and angry that people can still making money from churning out conspiracy theory books - which aside from the validity of the 'new evidence' (i.e. the tapes), are full of inaccuracies and obvious mistakes, which anyone with a genuine interest in Marilyn Monroe would pick up instantly.
I felt annoyed at the time that I had purchased the book - especially as Smith had taken it upon himself to 'edit' the transcripts to protect Marilyn and the reader (WHAT FROM THE TRUTH?!), however when several newspapers published John Miner's full account several months later I was still intrigued enough to read on.
I think that there must have been tapes; and that Miner did listen to them in 1962 - and although he may well have remembered the gist of their contents, there is no way that someone could remember their conversational detail 45 years later. Like just about every person on the planet Miner will have read or heard stories about Monroe, and it's got to the point now where no one will know the real facts about her life - let alone how she died.
One interesting point that struck me was the Slatzer reference. Matthew Smith credits Slazter for being 'a long term friend of MM'. On page 203, Smith (up to his old editing tricks again) informs the reader that Marilyn has been 'rattled' by someone and that she has turned to Frank Sinatra for advice. How very, very odd, that in Miner's 'full' transcript the person is described as 'that b******d Slatzer'……
Miner has definitely got his facts muddled and it wouldn't surprise me if his literary agent has encouraged him to leave out the mundane and maybe elaborate on the more salacious and sellable aspects of the transcripts. However, as he certainly did interview Dr Greenson at the time I cannot believe that he would be foolhardy enough to make the entire thing up.
45 years on and most of the key players have gone - those that remain? Well I think you have to trust your gut instinct on any new MM revelations….
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post Dec 19 2005, 04:17 PM
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Every time we buy something Marilyn related items we are doing what she hated most -she's becoming a thing.. (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif) but what else can we do..
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post Dec 19 2005, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE(njeane77 @ Dec 19 2005, 10:26 AM) [snapback]94526[/snapback]
After reading Matthew Smith's Secret Tapes of MM, I felt, like many Monroe fans, disappointed and angry that people can still making money from churning out conspiracy theory books - which aside from the validity of the 'new evidence' (i.e. the tapes), are full of inaccuracies and obvious mistakes, which anyone with a genuine interest in Marilyn Monroe would pick up instantly.
I felt annoyed at the time that I had purchased the book - especially as Smith had taken it upon himself to 'edit' the transcripts to protect Marilyn and the reader (WHAT FROM THE TRUTH?!), however when several newspapers published John Miner's full account several months later I was still intrigued enough to read on.
I think that there must have been tapes; and that Miner did listen to them in 1962 - and although he may well have remembered the gist of their contents, there is no way that someone could remember their conversational detail 45 years later. Like just about every person on the planet Miner will have read or heard stories about Monroe, and it's got to the point now where no one will know the real facts about her life - let alone how she died.
One interesting point that struck me was the Slatzer reference. Matthew Smith credits Slazter for being 'a long term friend of MM'. On page 203, Smith (up to his old editing tricks again) informs the reader that Marilyn has been 'rattled' by someone and that she has turned to Frank Sinatra for advice. How very, very odd, that in Miner's 'full' transcript the person is described as 'that b******d Slatzer'……
Miner has definitely got his facts muddled and it wouldn't surprise me if his literary agent has encouraged him to leave out the mundane and maybe elaborate on the more salacious and sellable aspects of the transcripts. However, as he certainly did interview Dr Greenson at the time I cannot believe that he would be foolhardy enough to make the entire thing up.
45 years on and most of the key players have gone - those that remain? Well I think you have to trust your gut instinct on any new MM revelations….



Thanks for your thoughts Shirley, very insightful.
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post Feb 28 2006, 06:24 PM
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I say let's boycott all the books that built a case on unsubstantiated claims!!!!!!!!!
WE, as fans, are being taken for a ride! (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/angry.gif)
The "transcripts" are based on one guys "memory" of tapes heard over 40 years ago????
Give me a break. (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
Ok, and while i am at it....let me clarify what i think of John Minor....
He sat in on Marilyn's authopsy, this is true. But he was not a MEDICAL DOCTOR but from the dictrict attorney's office!!!
YET...he builds an entire case of KILLER ENEMAS based on a discoloration in Marilyn's colon (that wasn't even at the opening of the colon)....
He NEVER concidered Marilyn's medical history or lifestyle....he didn't know ZIPPO about her before the authopsy.....GIVE ME A BREAK.
Next he comes out as the sole "ear witness" to tapes Marilyn suposedly made for Greenson.....yeah right.....i believe that one when pigs learn how to fly.... (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/doh.gif)
I am going to throw Minor unto the same heep as Slatzer, Milo Speriglio and Donald H. Wolfe..... (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/yuk.gif)

Don't be taken in by those guys!!!!! They make a living of us Marilyn fans!

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post Aug 8 2006, 05:49 AM
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I agree, Sabine.
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post Aug 11 2006, 04:54 AM
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i believe its also a well known fact that sinatra had part ownership of cal neva lodge with sam giancana(huge mafia boss). also dick anderson was killed shortly after he had a fistfight with sinatra....
also i read in a frank bio recently that he yelled " shutup norma jean! your so dumb sometimes!" they also go on to say that mm was drinking out of a flask by then and looked pathetic...anyways, a little off topic, but it doesn't seem to support miners transcripts.
and it makes me dislike frank,,,but who knows what to believe anymore!
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post Aug 11 2006, 05:00 AM
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The fact that it got printed in Playboy says enough. Miner has obviously made it up for a quck buck
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post Aug 11 2006, 09:41 AM
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I heard that story about Frank too. I don't know if it's true, because as with MM, so much of what we hear about the Rat Pack is rumour. But it's quite possible that he did say that to Marilyn. I think Frank could be lovely sometimes, but on a bad day he could be mean even to those he cared about.
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post Oct 31 2006, 07:39 PM
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Miner is so full of BS it's unbelievable.
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QUOTE(eddie @ Aug 11 2006, 07:00 AM) *
The fact that it got printed in Playboy says enough. Miner has obviously made it up for a quck buck


I don't think John Miner is so poor that he's had to do this for some quick buck; he's been talking about this issue for the last 20 years, at least.

He's an old man; during the time when everything happened things weren't archived electronically or as carefully as nowadays, not everything was photographed like today, not everything was taped or put down on black and white.
People were so much more innocent, the supertechnological times we are living now, as if nothing exists or has existed if you can't prove it in photos or audio, it couldn't be predicted in the olden days.

Maybe some of the things he remembers are right, maybe he mixes partly his own true precise memories with something he has fabricated in his mind during the years, wanting to put it down in his personal Marilyn-memoirs, a kind of half documentary and half fictional "I remember Marilyn"- kind of stuff there are so many.

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But it is confusing, all those long conversations, that he claims that he "wrote everything down" after having talked with Greenson. How can anybody put down so much after a casual conversation, being sure that it's all repeated correctly- even at it's own time, soon after Marilyn's death the remembered notes might have included a lot of misunderstandings.

How old is John Miner now? When MM died he was maybe 40. So he's almost 90 today; is there somebody else behind this thing?
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wonderful! thanks for the info..




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I get disturbed by those gang rape theories......if that actually happened then the road to suicide wouldn't be far :/
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QUOTE(mels @ Aug 10 2005, 07:48 AM) *
- None of us knew Marilyn intimately. We all have our ideas of who she was based on many things we read and saw from her, but we can't claim we know how she would have sounded or talked to her psychiatrist. We can't either claim to know if orgasms (or the lack of) wasn't one of her preoccupations, same goes with other things she says in the interview. I agree it sounds suspect, but it's not a good way to discredit something.


I agree. I mean I've heard from other who actually knew her intimately that she did curse... like a sailor sometimes. But people here talk about how she seemed sweet so they don't think she spoke in such a vulgar way. It doesn't matter how sweet she looks or acted in public..she still threw around the F word and said DAMN... I've hear with my own ears, Marilyn saying damn this.. and damned that. So the bit about this being impossible because there are curse words is ludicrous.

And like Mels points out, there are other things we can point out that are more reliable in discrediting these tapes.
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There was a documentary about these tapes on UK TV last week. I really ot angry while wathing it because it had lies in at and didn't say anything to the viewrs that the tapes don't 'exsist' anymore. They kept playing Marilyn's LIFE interview in the background to lead the audience into thinking that they were the actual tapes being played while a voice-over said the things claimed to have been stated in the tapes. They also showed the coke bottle film and said, 'This is Mariln Monroe's first moments on screen, in a soft pornographic film'. It also towards the end said that Marilyn had been caught numerous times towards the end of her life having sex with strangers in public! WTF?
It just upsets me because if you don't know that much about her you will trust what the documentary says, which is what I think most viewers of it will do. (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/angry.gif)
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