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Joan Newman
post Jul 6 2004, 05:34 AM
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I'd like either more info on some of these misc pictures or just more of the same pictures. Some are just beautiful and I wish I had more. Thank you.
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post Jul 6 2004, 08:36 PM
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With Constance Collier, taken by Milton H. Greene
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post Jul 7 2004, 01:49 AM
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Actually the woman in the photos with Marilyn is Bertha Stafford-Vester.
Marilyn was guest for a weekend at Fleur Cowles Conneticut home. Mrs. Vester was a houseguest there too. The photo appears in Miss Cowles book. The Milton Greene site erroneously identifies this as Constance Collier.
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post Jul 7 2004, 01:53 AM
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Here´s what I know...

First Row:
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nr.1: MM with Agnes Flanagan.
nr.3-4: MM at the home of Natasha Lytess.

Second Row:
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nr.1: MM rehearsing for the CBS radioshow next night, 1954.
nr.3-4: MM being interviewed by phone, by Donald Zac from the Daily Mirror,
1960, at home.
nr.5: MM and Miller on NY Airport, nov 1958, after filming SLIH.

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nr.1: MM and Buddy Adler, 20th C.Fox Head of Production until his death in 1960.
nr.2: MM with Joan Coapland, the sister of Arthur Miller.
nr.3: MM and Arthur on their way to the premiere-night of "Conversation Piece,
1957.

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post Jul 7 2004, 01:57 AM
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The first photo is of Marilyn and Anna Karger. She was the mother of Fred Karger, an early love of Marilyn. Marilyn was very attached to Mrs. Karger.
The second is Marilyn and Bertha Stafford-Vester. Early 1955.
The third is Marilyn and Natasha Lytess with her daughter and some friends. Circa 1953. The fourth is the same.
Number seven was taken by J.R. Eyerman. Circa 1950.
The two in a rocking chair were originally taken for an advertisement.
Of what and when, I am not sure.
The next is of Arthur and Marilyn returning to New York after Some Like It Hot was finished. November 1958.
Marilyn and ????, circa 1960 after the actors strike had ended and filming resumed on Let's Make Love. I forget for the moment who he is.
Marilyn and Joan Copeland, Arthur's sister. Joan had opened on Broadway in Timepiece. The last one was taken earlier that evening
as they were getting ready to attend the play. November 18, 1957.

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post Jul 7 2004, 02:03 AM
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Oh, Suusmarie, I am so elated that you posted that wire service image and text. I have often wondered why Marilyn was posing with the CBS microphone. Thank you so much!!!!!
Buddy Adler is right!
Also...I am thankful for the information on the pictures of Marilyn in the rocking chair. I can breath a sigh of relief now! Ha!
And the correct name of the play is Conversation Piece, not Timepiece or whatever I said. LOL
You are a sweetheart.

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post Jul 7 2004, 02:18 PM
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Thank you so very much "chickey" and "Suusmarie". I am so happy with all that great info.
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post Jul 9 2004, 10:50 PM
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year with Bertha Stafford-Vester? 1955? what home?

sorry, i saw my answer

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post Jul 26 2004, 03:59 PM
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[quote=chickeyonthego,Jul 7 2004, 02:03 AM]
Oh, Suusmarie, I am so elated that you posted that wire service image and text. I have often wondered why Marilyn was posing with the CBS microphone. Thank you so much!!!!!
Buddy Adler is right!
Also...I am thankful for the information on the pictures of Marilyn in the rocking chair. I can breath a sigh of relief now! Ha!


Hi....more Info on the 'rocking chiar pics'...they were taken in october of 1955.

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post Jul 26 2004, 05:52 PM
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The rocking chair pics look later than October of 1955. I agree with
Suusmarie that they are more likely 1960.
Do you have anymore information about them to support 1955?

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post Jul 26 2004, 09:12 PM
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wait a moment? interview with Donald Zec in 1955?????? not 1960?
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post Oct 25 2004, 07:03 AM
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Ooops...i confused those 2 pics in the rockingchair with another pic in mind (i always get them wrong)...sorry 'bout that....i don't know anything much about those 2 pics but it doesn't look like 1960 where marilyn's hair was almost white-blond and she was also heavier...this seems more like 1956 to me....

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post Oct 24 2012, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE(chickeyonthego @ Jul 7 2004, 02:49 AM) *
Actually the woman in the photos with Marilyn is Bertha Stafford-Vester.
Marilyn was guest for a weekend at Fleur Cowles Conneticut home. Mrs. Vester was a houseguest there too. The photo appears in Miss Cowles book. The Milton Greene site erroneously identifies this as Constance Collier.


http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/ind...ost&p=36168
http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/ind...st&p=185983
What your source for Bertha Spafford Vester for this meeting with Marilyn? Magazine article? Auction catalog?
SPAFFORD not STAFFORD
Here are pictures of her

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post Nov 20 2012, 01:02 PM
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The diaries also contain references to Vester’s views about dissent among colony members and the conflicts raging in the region and in the greater outside world. They record Vester’s travels, particularly her numerous trips to the United States, and the acquaintances she made among the little-known and the famous, from Nancy Astor to Marilyn Monroe (whom Bertha met at Fleur Cowles’s country home in Connecticut), Dwight D. Eisenhower, Pearl Buck, or Norman Vincent Peale.


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post Nov 20 2012, 01:41 PM
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Yes that Daily Mirror interview looks circa 1956. Compared with MM photo of her in England 1956. Similar hairstyle, creamy skin.

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post Nov 20 2012, 02:53 PM
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From a review of the book about Cowles, found here: http://articles.nydailynews.com/1996-10-16...es-harold-evans

"As a protest against bad movies her Hollywood studio wanted her to star in, Monroe hid out at Cowles' Connecticut house, wearing "oversize men's trousers, an old pullover, and tennis shoes." Over the years, the sex symbol had an air of "constant anxiety." "

This refers to Bertha Vester's diaries, source: http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/am...ony/vester.html

"The diaries also contain references to Vester’s views about dissent among colony members and the conflicts raging in the region and in the greater outside world. They record Vester’s travels, particularly her numerous trips to the United States, and the acquaintances she made among the little-known and the famous, from Nancy Astor to Marilyn Monroe (whom Bertha met at Fleur Cowles’s country home in Connecticut), Dwight D. Eisenhower, Pearl Buck, or Norman Vincent Peale."

Here is more on the time spent with Cowles, from:http://theesotericcuriosa.blogspot.com/2012/10/hsh-princess-marilyn-of-monaco-near.html

"Simply put, the big spenders were not coming to Monaco. A decade after World War II, the Principality had a drab and dated air and gave the appearance of the fading dowager of the Riviera.

Onassis was deeply concerned about what he described as this ‘legend in decline!’ In his calculating estimation, Monaco had lost it’s sparkle, accordingly he complained in 1955 to his friend George Schlee during a cruise he took with Schlee and Great Garbo every summer. The place was nothing if it did not have glamour. Could not Schlee find some chic and scintillating American personality that young Prince Rainier could marry? It would attract, rich Americans – and might also put a smile on the rather lugubrious Prince. Onassis had all sorts of means by which he could bring a pretty girl to Monaco and make sure that she and Rainier would meet.

Schlee, a Russian born financier married to the famous fashion designer Valentina; ironically they met at a train station in Sebastopol while she was fleeing the country, seemed an odd choice for such a mission. Regardless, Schlee carried the challenge back to America to Gardner Cowles, the loquacious founder and publisher of Look magazine, who took great pleasure in broadcasting the story widely in later years – to the considerable irritation of Prince Rainier. Interestingly enough at the time, the Prince had not the slightest inkling of the activities of his self-appointed matchmakers, and he was less than amused by their idea of a chic and scintillating Princess, none other than, Norma Jeane Mortenson; American actress, model, and singer, who became the major sex symbol and box office draw, Marilyn Monroe.

At the time Marilyn Monroe was staying with Milton Green, the photographer, not far from Cowles’ home in Connecticut and Cowles duly invited the star over for drinks to see how she felt about the prospect of marriage to the Prince of Monaco.

‘Is he rich” Is he handsome?’ Marilyn wanted to know, giggling happily at the idea of marriage to the Prince whom the party disrespectfully dubbed ‘Reindeer.’ Also, she had no idea where Monaco was – ‘was it somewhere in Africa?’ – but she had little doubt that she could capture the heart of its retiring young ruler. ‘Give me two days alone with him,’ she said to Gardner Cowles, ‘and of course he’ll want to marry me.’

As the fates would have it, by the time this little group was joking over Marilyn Monroe’s future beside Gardner Cowles Connecticut swimming pool, Prince Rainier was deep in correspondence with a film star who had a very different image, Grace Kelly.

All things being equal, since Marilyn was divorcing her second husband Joe DiMaggio, at the time, it is unlikely that a Catholic country such as Monaco would have accepted her candidacy as future Princesse de Monaco.

Certainly one of history's 'might have beens!' "

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I agree, meganmarilyn. I don't think she was that interested, period.

I have read that when Grace Kelly married Ranier, Marilyn congratulated her and basically told her that she was happy that Grace had found a way to have a life outside of Hollywood.

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QUOTE(chickeyonthego @ Jul 7 2004, 12:49 AM) *
Actually the woman in the photos with Marilyn is Bertha Stafford-Vester.
Marilyn was guest for a weekend at Fleur Cowles Conneticut home. Mrs. Vester was a houseguest there too. The photo appears in Miss Cowles book. The Milton Greene site erroneously identifies this as Constance Collier.


ops, I need your help... I got another information about this story:

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Mrs. Vester figured in the Marilyn-had-a-laugh story. Jerusalem’s American grande dame was at the Long Island, New York home of a wealthy Mrs. Longfellow, who headed a fund-raising group to aid Vester’s Jerusalem charities.

Before dinner, Mrs. Vester found herself talking to a beautiful young woman to whom she had not been introduced. Finally Mrs. Vester said apologetically, “I’m sorry, my dear, but what is your name?”¯ “Marilyn Monroe,”¯ answered the stunning younger woman before breaking into peals of laughter when she realized that despite all of Hollywood’s hype, there still was at least one American who didn’t recognize either her face or name.

When Mrs. Vester told the story on returning to Jerusalem, no one knew why Marilyn Monroe had been present. Perhaps it was while she was married to New York playwright Arthur Miller. But the story demonstrated not just that Hollywood was a distant constellation from Jerusalem, but that many even worldly residents of the holy city regarded it as the center of the world.
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