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> Marilyn: The Passion And The Paradox, by Lois Banner
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CYRILPARIS
post Nov 14 2011, 04:58 PM
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will release in july 2012

http://www.amazon.com/Revelations-Passion-...6102&sr=8-1
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Revelations-Passio...6248&sr=8-1

Hardcover: 288 pages
Publisher: Bloomsbury USA (July 17, 2012)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1608195317
ISBN-13: 978-1608195312
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post Nov 14 2011, 06:38 PM
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Oh, wow! I can't wait for this...
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post Nov 14 2011, 07:10 PM
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Banner's earlier book was so good, I expect this one to be equally great. Love the cover! (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Nov 14 2011, 07:13 PM
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http://www.bloomsbury.com/Revelations/Lois...s/9781408814109

Last year J. Randy Taraborrelli wrote a bestselling book entitled The Secret Life of Marilyn. His is the most recent of dozens written since Marilyn's death in August of 1962 and yet the appetite for information about Marilyn is insatiable. No matter whether sensational or flawed, as most of these biographies have been, the fans always come out, in best-selling numbers.

This time, with Lois Banner's Revelations, Marilyn's fans won't be disappointed. This is no re-tread of recycled material. As one of the founders of the field of women's history, Lois Banner reveals Marilyn Monroe in the way that only a top-notch historian and biographer could. Banner appreciates the complexities of Monroe's personal life in the context of her achievements as an actor, singer, dancer, comedian, model and courtesan. And the new information she unearths is revelatory. Banner's credentials opened doors and she has access to material no one else has seen, from the so called 'Rosetta stones' of Monroe research (two large file cabinets filled with a trove of personal papers), to an interview with a member of the Kennedy secret service detail who shared what he witnessed for the first time, to facts and anecdotes about her childhood and her death and every stage of her life in between that were either missed or ignored or misinterpreted.

Like her art, Marilyn's self was rooted in paradox: she was a powerful star and a child-like waif, a joyful, irreverent party girl with a deeply spiritual side; a superb friend and a narcisist; a dumb blonde and an intellectual. No biographer before has attempted to analyze--much less realized--most of these aspects of her personality. Lois Banner has.
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This book seems really interesting! (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/jumpymm.gif)
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post Nov 15 2011, 01:42 PM
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QUOTE(Tara @ Nov 14 2011, 07:13 PM) *
http://www.bloomsbury.com/Revelations/Lois...s/9781408814109

Last year J. Randy Taraborrelli wrote a bestselling book entitled The Secret Life of Marilyn. His is the most recent of dozens written since Marilyn's death in August of 1962 and yet the appetite for information about Marilyn is insatiable. No matter whether sensational or flawed, as most of these biographies have been, the fans always come out, in best-selling numbers.

This time, with Lois Banner's Revelations, Marilyn's fans won't be disappointed. This is no re-tread of recycled material. As one of the founders of the field of women's history, Lois Banner reveals Marilyn Monroe in the way that only a top-notch historian and biographer could. Banner appreciates the complexities of Monroe's personal life in the context of her achievements as an actor, singer, dancer, comedian, model and courtesan. And the new information she unearths is revelatory. Banner's credentials opened doors and she has access to material no one else has seen, from the so called 'Rosetta stones' of Monroe research (two large file cabinets filled with a trove of personal papers), to an interview with a member of the Kennedy secret service detail who shared what he witnessed for the first time, to facts and anecdotes about her childhood and her death and every stage of her life in between that were either missed or ignored or misinterpreted.

Like her art, Marilyn's self was rooted in paradox: she was a powerful star and a child-like waif, a joyful, irreverent party girl with a deeply spiritual side; a superb friend and a narcisist; a dumb blonde and an intellectual. No biographer before has attempted to analyze--much less realized--most of these aspects of her personality. Lois Banner has.


I'd heard her on the recently documentary french TV 'Un jour, Un destin'.
I appreciated her comments.

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post Apr 17 2012, 03:03 AM
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This book now has a Facebook page with updates if you are interested.

http://www.facebook.com/MarilynThePassionAndTheParadox
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post Apr 18 2012, 10:13 AM
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Sounds super.
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post Apr 30 2012, 08:27 PM
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Reviewed by fellow MM author Carl Rollyson...

http://www.bibliobuffet.com/biographology/...iography-041912
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post Apr 30 2012, 10:33 PM
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Thanks Tara. I eagerly await the release of this book.
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QUOTE(mberton @ Apr 30 2012, 05:33 PM) *
Thanks Tara. I eagerly await the release of this book.


Agreed, I have already preordered my copy on Amazon.com!
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post May 29 2012, 04:53 PM
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You can read the first 4 chapters on Amazon.com...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/160819531...;pf_rd_i=507846
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post Jun 2 2012, 08:11 AM
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QUOTE(Tara @ May 29 2012, 05:53 PM) *
You can read the first 4 chapters on Amazon.com...

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/160819531...;pf_rd_i=507846



I was looking forward with high hopes about this book but now after having searched through it became a bit afraid of it

search with "sex" gives 120 results
search with "love" results in 60 results (with numerous results for "free-love" "make love" excluded, movie titles with "love" excluded as well)

the above is just an example

then things like (also just for example):
"Natasha taught her the French ways of making love, especially intricacies of oral sex" (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)

sweet Jesus... so Natasha was Marilyn's sex trainer?? this would truly be a "revelation", isn't it? (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/doh.gif) (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes1.gif)

and we can read that Marilyn was a "sex addict" with footnotes citing Earl Wilson "Show business laid bare", page 71 (?) and Susie Strasberg's book, page 163 (can anybody post what is there?)

so, this is what Marilyn was all about? sex, free-love, sex addiction and so on?? with sexual abuse and sexploitation as the key to what makes Her so special, unique in history?? (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes1.gif)


I am afraid that prof. Banner fell into a trap described by Weatherby: "Marilyn had an ability, unique in my experience, to appear to be what you wanted her to be and therefore the real person remained elusive"

nota bene this would be typical for a scholar, contrary to what one might think about it a scholar doing her scholarly work is in most cases actually much more prejudiced than a typical person, with all her scholarly preconceptions

on the other hand this book is supposed to be a scholarly biography by an eminent scholar, many people would choose this book to know "the scientific truth" about our Marilyn...

...and they would find stuff about sex addiction or multiple abortions, yes, because "Amy Grenee and Paula Strasberg both maintained that Marilyn had as many as twelve abortions" (page 137) again ...sweet Jesus (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/doh.gif) "a scholar" mindlessly repeating such a medical nonsense...

not only I am afraid ...I am becoming seriously pissed off (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/angry.gif)
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The book does seem to be very focussed on Marilyn's sexuality. I'm not completely against this if it's backed up with evidence (but there are two sides to every story), and I very much hope it will be balanced alongside other aspects of Marilyn's life and personality. But I do strongly agree with your concerns, Pawel, especially regarding the 'highbrow' approach. We've already seen where that led with Mailer and Oates. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, should be interesting anyway.
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post Jun 2 2012, 12:05 PM
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QUOTE(Tara @ Jun 2 2012, 12:02 PM) *
The book does seem to be very focussed on Marilyn's sexuality. I'm not completely against this if it's backed up with evidence (but there are two sides to every story), and I very much hope it will be balanced alongside other aspects of Marilyn's life and personality. But I do strongly agree with your concerns, Pawel, especially regarding the 'highbrow' approach. We've already seen where that led with Mailer and Oates. I guess we'll just have to wait and see, should be interesting anyway.


yes, I agree

let me clarify my point a bit more - let's assume for the sake of argument that all statements of facts given by Banner are true and correct - but even then we all have our sex lives, relationships, phantasies, fetishes and adventures, usually quite typical, everybody has - or at least let us hope so (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/wink3.gif)

and exactly because of that a particular sex life IS NOT what makes a certain person unique and interesting! oh my it should be obvious at least from "a scholarly perspective" - an opposite of a tabloid perspective!

it is not Marilyn's "secret" sex life that makes us love Her, nor it is something that made Her such a unique and global cultural phenomenon, surely She was sexy and had a sex life - let us hope She enjoyed it but this not the magic of Marilyn!

then one could ask a question - what is this book all about? what's the point of it?

I am upset, because I am afraid that such a supposedly scholarly book which will certainly become important Marilyn book, can contribute in changing the dominating public image of our beloved Girl, especially from that "highbrow" perspective and in the "opinion-forming circles", from a "blonde sexbomb" into a "blonde sexfreak" which would be something even worse than we have so far, a real damage and disgrace (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

She wasn't a sex freak, ok! perhaps She was, perhaps She also was "a slob. A banana split." but people love Her because She was "a beautiful child" first of all and IN SPITE OF ALL (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/throb.gif) (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/throb.gif) (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/throb.gif)

ps.
I believe that when writing "a beautiful child" Capote understood it as an impersonation of not just physical but also spiritual beauty, pure, in that sense childlike

Ayn Rand wrote: "a being from some planet uncorrupted by guilt", and Capote lamented when looking at Her (in His short story): "Marilyn! Marilyn, why did everything have to turn out the way it did? Why does life have to be so rotten?"

I like to think that She was just like Eve before the Fall, a glimpse of Paradise given by God, an apparition, a revelation indeed, a miracle, for us to see how beautiful a man can or could be...

Marilyn is an eternal mystery

pps.
I believe that Miller felt it that way too - and hence the title "After the Fall", perhaps He saw Her as a woman from before the Fall thrown into a world of after...

science cannot do justice to Marilyn, only poetry, perhaps theology, I am interested in theology and I must say that Marilyn helps me to understand some theological problems, take the simplest of them as an example - of visio beatifica, I take a look at Her and NOW I know that there is no boredom in heaven...
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Pawel, you said it all (a mouthful yes), but you said it all. I avoid about 98% of all the books written about her, only owning 4.

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(IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/marilynbybrandon_190.gif) I have read the preview of Lois Banners book, and don`t know quite what to make of it-seems it might not live up to its high expectations. There are twelve reviews on amazon right now. I am wondering where these people got their advance copy of the book, as it is not released until july 17. I have checked the book depository, but same there. I was planning to get it, but am having seconds thoughts about buying this book. Anyone else?
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Well, as far as I'm concerned, I won't waste my time or money. That's pretty closed minded I know, I should be more unbiased as a writer myself but I write using real and unreal peoples places and events, yes I use a 50/50 mix of reality and fiction. Most books about her, in my lil opinion are made up or made to make her out as someone she surely wasn't. I've read about 90% of whats out there and only own 4 books.

There's my opinion Cecilie. Hope it helps.

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I can only assume the reviews are from those who have bought the Kindle edition. They seemed quite mixed. Still, I will read this to form my own opinion. Seeing as the publisher's blurb states that Ms Banner has had 'access to Marilyn intimates who hadn't spoken to other biographers, and to private material unseen, ignored, or misinterpreted by her predecessors. With new details about Marilyn's childhood foster homes, her sexual abuse, her multiple marriages, her affairs, and her untimely death at the age of thirty-six' I want to see what (or if any) new information unfolds.
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post Jun 23 2012, 12:09 PM
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I notice that the customer reviews are from the Amazon Vine program so they probably did receive advance copies. To be fair, this is an academic study and not only a biography, so the author's opinions are going to be a big part of it. Some of those reviewers seemed to feel that MM doesn't merit an analytical approach, and I certainly disagree with that. Other criticisms may be more grounded, though.

So far, this book sounds a bit like a cross between Summers and Churchwell. Maybe I'll like it, or maybe I won't - but I'm still very interested in reading it. And while my first impressions are mixed, I'm wary of judging any book by an excerpt, or customer reviews - until I've read it all, I can't really know what it's like.
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