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mberton
post Mar 26 2014, 03:23 AM
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My two cents worth - I had dead straight hair as a child that turned wavy/curly as a teenager. Hormones! If you look at photos of Gladys and Berniece they both have wavy hair too. Even Della Hogan (Marilyn's grandmother) had wavy hair. Seems a strong genetic link in the family.
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post Oct 23 2014, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE(Celia @ Mar 25 2014, 11:02 PM) *
I think all of us have seen children with curled hair who grow a straight hair as adults or are blond in their childhood and brunettes as adults. Could it be that she had a naturally straight hair as a child and a naturally curled hair as an adult?? Any expert here? That could give us a clue.


I would go along with this, in my early student days becoming an hairdresser we had to learn all about hair follicles and how they grew, what i do know is people with curly hair have a flatter follicle and people with straight hair have a rounded one, some scientists say its a combination of genetics, hormones and body chemistry mostly hereditary from your own parents, i believe everyone's hair changes every 5 years. Young children up to about 4 years often they had very fine hair, as they age and go through puberty, their hair changes from being very fine to thick or from curly to straight. As you get into your sixties it can also change from being thick and course to fine and thinner.

There are some pictures of Gladys with very curly hair when she was younger, and when she was elderly she had gone completely grey, and her hair looked quite straight?

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post Nov 10 2014, 09:09 AM
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Yes, hair definitely changes for a lot of people.
Myself for example. I was born with straight hair... which became wavy/curly... then extremely unruly in my teen years (to the point of tears)
And now I'm 28 and my hair seems to grow in pretty straight and towards ear length becomes wavy.

Also, I've bleaches/dyed my hair so many times that I really think it has gotten to the point where it's alter the follicles... so with Marilyn bleaching her hair every week, I would think she wouldn't have had to relax her hair (to straighten it). I think the bleach probably helped straighten her hair out... also thinning it out.

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post Nov 21 2018, 04:54 PM
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QUOTE(CYRILPARIS @ Mar 8 2013, 04:51 PM) *
Typed note dated November 20, 1959, from "Lilly Dach� Boutique and Beauty Salon" at "78 East 56 Street/New York 22, New York" which gives the simple instructions: "Dear Miss Monroe:/ Use undiluted, as is unless a weaker shade is desired. /Thank you/May." An attached note stapled to the upper left-hand corner is addressed to "Miss Agne (sic) Flanagan" MM's longtime hairdresser, and reads in full "Dear Miss Flanagan/Please use 1 oz/of this rinse to 8/oz of very hot water/on roots & cond/through ends � on/Miss Monroe's hair - /the cream is to use/on shaft of/hair after applying/bleach � thank you/Miss Rosemary" � a true insight into how the most famous blonde in Hollywood had to work hard to maintain her hair color.


I just read this older post. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/thumbup1.gif)
Very interesting indeed. Here's a bit better quality of note.
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post Nov 25 2018, 08:20 AM
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Very interesting! Thanks Nettie.
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post Apr 26 2019, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(CYRILPARIS @ Dec 30 2010, 08:29 AM) *
May be here: http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/?showtopic=9559
and here: http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/showpo...p;postcount=349 :
Bio, http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000054/bio.
"Tried 9 different shades of blond hair color before settling on platinum."

Marilyn Monroe 1962 Life Magazine Interview, http://the-lovely-marilyn-monroe.pop...ew-1962-675387.

I found this, http://entertainment.howstuffworks.c...arly-life4.htm on Marilyn Monroe's hair in the early years of her career. There is a tidbit on Marilyn Monroe's natural colour and texture, by the hair stylist who first lightened her hair, and it matches the information below, by a hair stylist who worked on her hair later in her career.
"Tint technician Sylvia Barnhart and shop owner Frank immediately set out to straighten Norma Jeane's hair, which Barnhart has described as "brown and kinky." The strong solution used in the process also lightened her hair, giving it a reddish-blonde cast".

This, http://dariandarlingnyc.blogspot.com...ic-blonde.html makes sense, and is the link that was first quoted from here in this thread, by Kyaatje, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...3&postcount=19.
The link has great pictures of Marilyn Monroe with various shades of blonde hair. "her hair is naturally so curly that to build a coiffure for her I have to first give her a straight permanent." - Gladys Rasmussen, Marilyn's long time hairdresser"

Perm solution has often been used to straighten hair. It can be combed through the hair and the hair is not set on perm rods or it can be set on large perm rods. Perm solution is commonly neutralized with a hydrogen peroxide solution, See "Modern Perms", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perm_(hairstyle) and "Perming Hair" by P&G, http://www.pgbeautygroomingscience.c...ming-hair.html, so that would account for the reddish tint on Marilyn Monroe's brown hair, which was later bleached and toned blonde.

Hair stylist George Masters is credited with changing Marilyn Monroe's hair colour to what was named "pillow case white", http://www.beverlyhillstimesmagazine...jill-garneski/.

When Marilyn Monroe died, her cosmetics and personal items were auctioned off. Here is a website with pictures of what cosmetics she used at the time before she died, http://tiannemarie.blogspot.com/2010...f-marilyn.html.
"There a little bits of hairs stil stuck in the curlers ... she did own a couple of boxes of Wella's Kolesteral Creme tubes ... Marilyn's hair was extremely processed and brittle from the bleach. Kolesteral was meant to condition..."

Certain cosmetics sold for $3900.00 USD in one lot, #3030, in 2008, http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/publi...&iSaleNo=16091.
"A Marilyn Monroe set of Erno Lazlo make-up products and hair conditioner, circa 1962
Two jars of the fancy brand MM used exclusively towards the end of her life; one labeled "Active pHelityl Cream" and the other "Face Powder Duo-pHase / Shade Ivory;" together with some Wella brand 'Kolestral' hair conditioning cream; the two tubes still in their original box (though box is now somewhat damaged due to age). Various Sizes Sold for $3,900 inclusive of Buyer's Premium"

An advertisement for Wella Kolestral Creme from 1950, http://books.google.ca/books?id=-kwE...pag...p;q&f=false.

I used Wella Kolestral Creme years ago. I never thought it was all that special.

Wella is now owned by Proctor and Gamble (P&G).

No miracle hair conditioning products exist today to undo any hair damage, especially the damage to hair caused by double chemical processing. However, damage to hair from conventional peroxide can be minimized by both coconut and argan oils, when they are used as a pre-treatment before conventional dying or lightening, based on reports in the "peroxide thread", http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ad.php?t=10495, even when hair is bleached (conventional peroxide is used in bleach). The oils may also help minimize perm damage. That at present is unknown, (perm neutralizer often contains hydrogen peroxide).

Based on coconut oil research, http://journal.scconline.org/pdf/cc2...175-p00192.pdf, coconut oil can help prevent protein loss and condition hair used as a pre-wash and it is absorbed into the hair during shampooing. Coconut oil has been reported to condition hair here in this thread, http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ad.php?t=57025, used in a shampoo, and it was also reported to do so years ago based on quotes by a hair stylist from the past, http://carolelombard.org/now-you-can...s-like-lombard.



I have been using Coconut Milk, which is an Oil in my hair since I went from black to blonde, I have had to bleach to get the level of blonde desired and the one thing that has kept my hair feeling smooth and conditioned is Coconut Milk! I was told by a hairdresser that if I continued to bleach and tone my hair that this was a VERY much needed product to protect my hair during the processing. I bleached my hair almost 20 years ago when I was 21-22 and the mistake I made was not taking care of my hair and it started to fall out and was totally fried! When I read this I knew that the hairdresser was right and it has made such a huge difference! Marilyn was my inspiration then and is again!!!! Take note of my attached picture of my hair today! (Hence the name "Blondealways" :-)

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post Apr 27 2019, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE(Eva @ Dec 30 2010, 07:19 AM) *
Hi Cello

I knew she did wear a wig for The Misfits, but what about the last few photo shoot's she had done with Bert stern, after many years of her bleaching her hair it didn't seem that damaged by looking at some picture's close up?


I completely agree! She wore a Wig for "The Misfits" because of the heat and humidity and it was next to Impossible to maintain her hairstyles. Towards the end her hair looked Fantastic and conditioned!
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post Apr 30 2019, 08:18 PM
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There is almost no humidity in the Nevada desert. Even in northern Nevada. There is more today in Las Vegas and southern Nevada because of the pools and landscaping. Wearing a wig in the heat would kill me. imo (IMG:style_emoticons/default/misfitspaddle_153.gif)
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