My Observations About Photo Taken The Day She Died, If Somebody Has Something To Add... Share | Options

[the.mmmm.girl]

I moved this topic into this forum....it is very interesting.

[Celia]

I moved this topic into this forum....it is very interesting.

Where exactly did you move it ??? I can´t find it anymore

[Nancy]

It's not moved, it's still here:
http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/ind...c=11327&hl=

[the.mmmm.girl]

Sorry for this confusion- now it´s in the right place...

I am surprised by the nightstand-photo in a different angle. In Maite Minguez Ricart´s book you can read that the swan ashtray- that she owns - stood next to MMs bed on the nightstand containing pills. BUT on the photo there is no ashtray- there is a alarm clock. I really thought for years that this was the ashtray (it looked like the swan´s neck). And I think in some biographies it is mentioned too that there was the ashtray on the nightstand in the bedroom....
Hm- I trust the photos but now I am convinced that there were some "irregualrities" going on that night. The scarf f.i. wasn´t there on the other photo...

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[2Twinkle]

"...The swan ashtray stood at the nightstand in Marilyn´s BEDROOM just next to her bed! You can see that on the picture shown in Anthony Summer´s book and here on ES...but the big surprise for me is that on the pictures above the ashtray stood in HER SUNROOM!!!..."

If you do a google search on marilyn monroe swan, the first result that comes up is a page for Robbyn Swan. Anthony Summers is married to her.

The second result is Swan Lake Marilyn Monroe Impersonator. The first line under this heading is: "Here are the online press kits of 33 professional Swan Lake Marilyn Monroe impersonators and Marilyn Monroe impersonators who will travel to Swan Lake to perform at your event..."

Marilyn is buried in Crypt 33.

In the Finnish epic Kalevala, a swan lives in the Tuoni river located in Tuonela, the underworld realm of the dead... Today, five flying swans are the symbol of the Nordic Countries and the whooper swan (Cygnus cygnus) is the national bird of Finland... from Swan - wikipedia - Role in Culture

[Margherita]

"...The swan ashtray stood at the nightstand in Marilyn´s BEDROOM just next to her bed! You can see that on the picture shown in Anthony Summer´s book and here on ES...but the big surprise for me is that on the pictures above the ashtray stood in HER SUNROOM!!!..."

Strange things also happened that night with photographing. I read from some net site or some of my old books, that when Sgt. Clemmons first arrived to the death scene, the vase-style drinking glass the man's finger is pointing at in one photo wasn't by her bed. And as it was essential that there must have been a drinking glass somewhere for M. to swallow the alleged pills, him (Clemmons) and Greenson looked for a drinking glass in the room but couldn't find no such anywhere.
Then afterwards Clemmons saw that picture, and the drinking glass has appeared by the bed in it!

[nicky62]

The scene was tampered if you look closely there is a handkerchief on the table lamp and in other pics its missing
Nicky62

[Celia]

The scene was tampered if you look closely there is a handkerchief on the table lamp and in other pics its missing
Nicky62

Could somebody post two different pics of the night stand with and without the swan? If you do , I would appreciate a large size so that we can see what really was on the stand.
It would be interesting!
Thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/marilynbybrandon_190.gif)

[skookum31]

I believe that Marilyn's plumbling in the house was getting worked on, or fixed. So, the plumbing in her bathroom was shut off. Marilyn would have needed to use water to get down the amount of pills, that may have killed her. However, in order to get the water, she'd have to go out of her way to get some, right? If her bathroom blumbing was on-she'd obviously go there for water to use with the pills---- so this is another piece to the puzzle........ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes1.gif)


Shana C.

[Robby]

I believe that Marilyn's plumbling in the house was getting worked on, or fixed. So, the plumbing in her bathroom was shut off. Marilyn would have needed to use water to get down the amount of pills, that may have killed her. However, in order to get the water, she'd have to go out of her way to get some, right? If her bathroom blumbing was on-she'd obviously go there for water to use with the pills---- so this is another piece to the puzzle........ (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes1.gif)
Shana C.

That's not much of a riddle, I mean, she could have gone to her kitchen to get water.

[skookum31]

That's not much of a riddle, I mean, she could have gone to her kitchen to get water.

I think that all the water in her house was turned off; didn't she have to Dr. Greenson's to have her hair washed, b/c the water was shut off in the entire house?? Maybe she took the pills with something else- but that glass was def. placed there by somebody. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
JMO, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)

[socubos]

is this the original whole photo?

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[nicky62]

Its strange but I dont beleive in this Photo , cause the way you see whats supposed to be MM does not fit with the story of her face lying on her right side and I have made in photoshop many ways of how she might have been found and to be honest this picture doesnt seem it
but anyways its a photocopy not the original pic so that draws another question
if only someone could gain access to the Leigh Weiner archive which is in a vault somewhere and come foward with the original photographs of MM covered and uncovered it would prove worth whlie that the complete scene includeding her death is a hoax . Its a Coverup !
OMG I think I got carried away
but anyway thats only my opinion thank ou for bringing up the topic
Nicky62

[Margherita]

What do you mean Nicky? That the whole scene, the story, that she was lying in the bed and everything, was a hoax, but instead she was quite somewhere else - or maybe didn't die at all! (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/banana.gif) -or what? Or do you mean that this picture above is fake, a hoax?

In my opinion the person lying in the bed doesn't neither look quite "believable", difficult to define, but somehow; and there's something about it - like why would she had been left there until the time that there was time for somebody to point out the pill bottles and everything, and she's just lying there?

IF that's Marilyn, her back looks like it's turning black and blue, but it can be due to the poor quality of the picture.

[nicky62]

Hi Ultraviollet :
Yes I mean the photograph . There are many gaps in the death scene why if she was discovered around midnight as Mrs Murray stated did the police arrive at almost 4am? If you read the autopsy report it says that there is faint lividity on her back and her right side of the face has blotches , she could have passed away on her back and soon to make the scene credible placed her face down (right cheek ) and position the body . As many other cases in suicide , there are convulsions before the person passes out slips into coma then death . Most if not all self induced overdose die in a semi fetal position so I IMO think that the scene was tampered . There was no visible body fluids on the clean sheets probably it was washed away by Mrs Murray that explains the washer being used at that time of the night . And the photo being submitted to the documentary from which it was taken you can clearly see its a 4th rate photocopy and if you compare it with the other photo thats included in the documentary her legs are apart not in the soldier position as was stated . So This means that Greenson , Murray and her nephew had lots to do with the setup . Remember that the Fox Studio was also called before calling the police . If she had really intended to take her life where is the suicide note or where are the phone records of that fateful night ?
It keeps going on . As we later learned Marilyn was going to remarry Joe on the same day she as buried plus she had renegotiated her Fox contract resuming her film SGTG in September after Dean Martin filled out some work he had scheduled . But then again this is my beleif . Thank you all for this great topic lets keep going who knows if we do crack the truth ! Nicky62 (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)

This post has been edited by nicky62: Feb 13 2009, 02:08 AM

[liza]

Hi Ultraviollet :
Yes I mean the photograph . There are many gaps in the death scene why if she was discovered around midnight as Mrs Murray stated did the police arrive at almost 4am? If you read the autopsy report it says that there is faint lividity on her back and her right side of the face has blotches , she could have passed away on her back and soon to make the scene credible placed her face down (right cheek ) and position the body . As many other cases in suicide , there are convulsions before the person passes out slips into coma then death . Most if not all self induced overdose die in a semi fetal position so I IMO think that the scene was tampered . There was no visible body fluids on the clean sheets probably it was washed away by Mrs Murray that explains the washer being used at that time of the night . And the photo being submitted to the documentary from which it was taken you can clearly see its a 4th rate photocopy and if you compare it with the other photo thats included in the documentary her legs are apart not in the soldier position as was stated . So This means that Greenson , Murray and her nephew had lots to do with the setup . Remember that the Fox Studio was also called before calling the police . If she had really intended to take her life where is the suicide note or where are the phone records of that fateful night ?
It keeps going on . As we later learned Marilyn was going to remarry Joe on the same day she as buried plus she had renegotiated her Fox contract resuming her film SGTG in September after Dean Martin filled out some work he had scheduled . But then again this is my beleif . Thank you all for this great topic lets keep going who knows if we do crack the truth ! Nicky62 (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)

I totally agree, my thoughts too

[nicky62]

Here is the rendition I made of how I think she was positioned I used Daz3d program and photoshop to render this I will include the rest in same post as soon as I finish them
Nicky62 (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)

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[the.mmmm.girl]

Hi Nicky!
You really did a fine job!!! This reconstruction looks so realistic!
But I think MMs face was turned to the other side because you can see on the Discovery Channel pic her blonde hair of her backhead and not her face....
It is really strange because she was found laying on her right side.......I never thought of that!

This post has been edited by the.mmmm.girl: Feb 14 2009, 05:59 PM

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[nicky62]

This is what I was talking about . That the picture seen in the Discovery documentary does not fit with the Autopsy report . and it seems to be that even the picture has been faked just look at my rendition and compare the Discovery image looks awkward . I will Include here the colorized version of the 3D Image I made
nicky62
thank you so much Dear here are the renditions
later on in another post I will include on how she couldve passed away (position) (IMG:http://www.everlasting-star.net/boards/style_emoticons/default/banana.gif)
Also I dont know bout you guys but every time I see this scene in Bus Stop it makes me think of the way she passed away with Mrs Murray and her Nephew in the Bedroom cleaning things up . Even the Bedroom in the movie kinda resembles Marilyns ! EERIE
but then again its my opinion

This post has been edited by nicky62: Feb 15 2009, 01:16 AM

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[Margherita]

Nicky, that's superb! You must be or become world famous! I haven't seen anywhere this kind of reconstruction done yet, in her case.

What comes to the resemblance of the bedrooms, well, the bedroom in Bus Stop and in her mexican style house aren't quite alike, but then of course they are normal american bedrooms with a large bed in the middle, some door and windows, not too different from each other but not identical.
What comes to her position, well it's allways of course her, so she would have her typical way of lying and stretching her limbs, so that would also determine in what position she would fall asleep or pass away - maybe. Unless the death would have happened in a more less ordinary position, like the fetus one, in which she may have died, but then her body must have been rearranged soon after her death because of the quick stiffening that would prevent any new arrangement.

In the last picture she seems like being peacefully in a sleep though .